I found this at Yahoo, but I know it's from another source. I'm not sure where -- I'll double-check.
Sega's 2001 Dreamcast lineup :
18 Wheel Pro American Trucker
Alien Front Online
Crazy Taxi 2
House of the Dead 3
Jet Grind Radio 2
Propeller Head Online
Sega Bass Fishing 2
Sonic Adventure 2 The next Space Channel 5 game
Toe Jam & Earl 3
World Series Baseball 2K2
World Tennis 2K2
By Michael Murphy (Murph) on Thursday, February 1, 2001 - 09:31 am:
Okay, looks like Yahoo got this from Gamecenter.
Oh, and Sonic Adventure 2 and The next Space Channel 5 game should not be on the same line -- obviously. Sorry about that.
By Rob_Merritt on Thursday, February 1, 2001 - 09:39 am:
I don't care what happens as long as I get my hands on the Floigan Brothers
Rob Merritt -- www.moonbasetycho.com
By Mark Asher on Thursday, February 1, 2001 - 10:47 am:
Heh -- what in the Blue Blazes is the Floigan Brothers?
Just looking at that lineup reminds me of why I don't get into console games more. Where are the strategy games?
By Michael Murphy (Murph) on Thursday, February 1, 2001 - 10:52 am:
Yeah, nothing on that list excites me a whole lot. I don't have a Dreamcast, though, so it matters little. I just thought it was interesting -- they're apparently serious about this whole "We're totally committed to the Dreamcast" thing. They may not make any more of them, but they're certainly planning on making up for it in the games department.
Floigan Brothers sounds kinda fun, though, doesn't it?
By Rob_Merritt on Thursday, February 1, 2001 - 11:19 am:
The Floigan Brothers is being made by several people at Visual Concepts that originally worked on classic computer adventure games. Floigan Brothers promises to be a pretty good adventure games. It does have some platformer elements. It is on a console after all. You have to save your junk yard from an evil land developer. You are small and tiny guy but smart. Your friend is big, tall, strong and dumb. You have to work these two in order to solve puzzles in the game
Rob Merritt -- www.moonbasetycho.com
By Dave Long on Thursday, February 1, 2001 - 12:02 pm:
I just thought it was interesting -- they're apparently serious about this whole "We're totally committed to the Dreamcast" thing. They may not make any more of them, but they're certainly planning on making up for it in the games department.
I suspect that Sega will make DC versions of most of the PS2 games they plan on producing, at least for the next 18-24 months.
I wonder what will happen with Phantasy Star Online, though. MMORPGs last a long time. We might see this ported to a new platform.
By Benedict (Benedict) on Thursday, February 1, 2001 - 04:45 pm:
Dave- with all due respect... are you on crack?
Sega has just about the worst support history on earth. They did NOT support the 32X, even when it could have been viable. They never leaned on the Saturn enough, and their continued support for the Saturn didn't really extend beyond Japan.
I know you like Sega. I like Sega too. But claiming they have a great history of support is crazy. I think SONY, of all companies, has a good history of supporting technology even if it doesn't catch on.
And PSO isn't a MMRPG, really. I wish it was. Sega is supposedly making one for the DC called Farnation. We'll see.
Anyway, sorry. No more ranty.
By Sean Tudor on Thursday, February 1, 2001 - 08:48 pm:
"Just looking at that lineup reminds me of why I don't get into console games more. Where are the strategy games? "
Yep I agree. It's all the usual sports game and platform, 3D fighting crap that seems to be released ad infinitum for consoles.
The Playstation 2 lineup isn't much better.
By Dave Long on Thursday, February 1, 2001 - 11:07 pm:
Given the financial realities of both the 32X and the Sega Saturn, it's easy to say that their support was as good as it could get. They only sold something like 750,000 32Xs and 2 million Saturns. The last games on those consoles came from Sega alone. They also arrived long after the market had decided which machine they were going to support. Sony has never had to deal with a dead on the racks game console so I'm not sure what you mean there? Consumer electronics are not game consoles. You make ZERO on the hardware in consoles or you even LOSE money. Most consumer electronics have decent margins built into their prices.
32X received Virtua Fighter after the Saturn was released. That was about 2 years after the 32X's release. The mushroom(32X) had few games in development from other companies right from the beginning. They probably should never have released it at all. They supported it with the best console version of DOOM and Acclaim's best conversion of Mortal Kombat 2 as well as some good first party titles. It was an add-on. I would never expect nor would I have guessed anyone would expect to get the life out of an add-on you get out of a console. Much less an unsuccessful add-on.
Dreamcast has been relatively successful here in the US. 8 million worldwide isn't anything to scoff at. Sega will continue through this year and even if they wouldn't, the games available now are far above that of the other console. It's a steal at $99.
Finally, PSO may not be massively multiplayer in the sense that everyone plays in the same world and steals, cheats and begs for equipment with everyone all at once, but it's very good at pulling off Diablo-style cooperative gameplay with small groups in full 3D with a sci-fi setting to boot. I don't think it's right to put the game down for not being Everquest on the DC.
Farnation sounds good and for now it's safe to say that most of the games with major internet options will only be found on the DC. Sony seems to be backing off the broadband thing for 2001 and Microsoft won't have anything ready this year either. If they want to take advantage of the net (and keep learning and testing things long before their competitors do), they'll keep putting out these games on the DC.
Just look at sales of DC games for last year. NFL2K1 sold almost 1 million here in the States alone to their small base. The lowest selling DC game in the top 10 was as high as the 2nd highest PS2 game in sales. They sell games at an 8 to 1 ratio with their machines. That's unheard of on just about all other consoles save GameBoy. The demand is there and they'll fill it.
By mtKafka (Mtkafka) on Friday, February 2, 2001 - 05:34 am:
PSO as it is right now is loads of fun. there are more options in the game than meets the main 3 classes. theres really nine classes... anyway i digress... PSO is a game that proves that DC is a great system despite lackluster sales. ive played about 10 hours or so online with PSO and whats most surprising is that the lag is virtually non existant. plus the game has a very nice chat interface, with a nice paging/email system. . . it adds alot to the game.
anyway, i really hope they make a sequel to this game. or plan to support this type of game in the future. . .whether it be on a Xbox, PS2, or a PC.
By Marcus J. Maunula on Friday, February 2, 2001 - 09:32 am:
Mark, you ask where the strategy titles are. An even better question is where the exciting PC strategy titles are. I don't think I remember a year that looked so bleak as 2001. Tropico and perhaps Supernova, what else?
By Mark Asher on Friday, February 2, 2001 - 10:41 am:
Black & White
MOO3 (probably not this year though)
Heroes 4 (unannounced but coming)
Moon Project (Earth 2150 sequel)
Dune from Westwood
Mechcommander 2 (really looking forward to this!)
I'm sure there are more. Gotta be some more RTS's, right?
By Marcus J. Maunula on Friday, February 2, 2001 - 10:49 am:
Mafia afaik should be a FPS but of course know more than me :).
Fallout Tactics is the only one of those I believe is 100% this year. Empire Earth doesn't look like a 2001 title either (again gut feeling not knowledge).
If MOO3 came out this year I would be excited.
Mech2? Isn't that action?
By Dave Long on Friday, February 2, 2001 - 11:57 am:
Isn't Civilization III a 2001 title?
Nothing there is really lighting my fire though and I really enjoy strategy games. MechCommander 2 is probably the biggest of the bunch for me along with a look at Black and White. Is Warcraft III really going to be released in 2001? Somehow I doubt this. MoO3 seems very unlikely to appear in 2001 also if ever. I'll believe that one when I see it on shelves and hold it in my hands.
Of all those games though, Startopia and B&W look the most original.
By Mark Asher on Friday, February 2, 2001 - 12:00 pm:
Mech2 is a squad-level isometric game. It's real-time, but it's supposed to be tactical.
I could be wrong about Mafia. I thought it was a strat title, but I didn't research it. Most of those games I listed should be out this year, though.
Oh, Civ 3 is supposed to be out this year too. And a Napoleonics game based on Sid's Gettysburg engine should be out soon.
By Mark Asher on Friday, February 2, 2001 - 12:08 pm:
And Dreamland. Please, Lord, let them get this game done this year!
Speaking of Dreamland, Julian Gollop mentioned on the Mythos boards that they were going to make a big announcement soon about one of their old titles. I have no idea what it will be, but I'm hoping for a Gameboy Advance version of X-COM. It's probably too hard to do on that small screen though.
By Lee Johnson on Friday, February 2, 2001 - 02:24 pm:
If Civ III ships this year, I will EAT MY HAT! I have practically zero confidence of it making it to market in 2001.
As for MOO3, the Quicksilver team has publically stated that they're shooting for 1Q 2002--which means that we might see it by 4Q 2002. If it doesn't implode from the mass of its own design document first, that is.
By Mark Asher on Friday, February 2, 2001 - 03:47 pm:
Heh -- I know what you mean by that MOO3 design document. It sounds like Derek Smart came up with the feature list.
EA and Firaxis are both expecting Civ 3 to ship this year. I have some doubts, but it was started back in '99. We just don't know how much Reynolds and the other Firaxis employees leaving hurt the schedule.
By Dave Long on Friday, February 2, 2001 - 04:16 pm:
Wait... EA and Firaxis? I thought Civ III is a Hasbro Interactive property and by purchase, now an Infogrames property?
By Rob_Merritt on Friday, February 2, 2001 - 04:55 pm:
I think Civ 3 is going to be one of those games with intro logos on top of intro logos.
BTW From what I've heard from someone(s) in the know, Civ 3 is going to be 2002 for sure.
Rob Merritt -- www.moonbasetycho.com
By Mark Asher on Friday, February 2, 2001 - 07:15 pm:
My mistake. Civ 3 is a Hasbro Interactive title.
I wonder if the planned option to roll results from Civ 3 into SMAC is still going to be in the game? Remember the Sweep of Time triolgy? All the games were supposed to feed into the next in the series, though I have no idea how the dinosaur game was going to feed into Civ 3.
By Marcus J. Maunula on Saturday, February 3, 2001 - 05:35 am:
The MOO3 feature list looks impressive so if they pull it through I'll also eat my hat (or cap).
I like the idea of a story based structure, that's what I've allways missed in the 4x games. They feel too dry after a couple of go:s.
By Mark Asher on Saturday, February 3, 2001 - 07:38 am:
You're right about 4X games being dry. I think that was one of the nice things about the original MOO. The races were unique enough from one another that it was easy to project a pseudo story upon the happenings in the game. You knew that the Bulrathi were belligerent oppressors, that the Darloks were sneaky, backstabbing bastards, that the Psilons were arrogant eggheads who felt all races should be subservient, and so on. So when the game unfolded it carried forward the bare bones of a fiction that was easy to hang a story on.
By Marcus J. Maunula on Saturday, February 3, 2001 - 11:10 am:
SMAC had a decent story lineup too. Although I now realise that the Civ style building game has been completelly milked dry as far as I'm concerned. It's about time they try out something completelly new.