Sony sucks balls the size of Los Angeles.

bago · 08-13-2009, 11:07 AM

I bought the watchmen DVD. Pretty cool right. Tried to play it on my sony laptop hooked up via hdmi to my sony flatscreen. Crashed of course. This was only annoying. The next six hours spent upgrading and rebooting the sony software that the sony updater software forgot to tell me about was fun. Even now, I'm at a point where I can hear audio on the commercials, but my entire sony setup tells me it can't understand the audio format when trying to play a sony blu-ray disc on my sony setup. Fuck them. Fuck them up their stupid asses.

Jakub · 08-13-2009, 11:13 AM

I'm not sure if it's true, but the only 100% compatible, fast, and reliable Blu-ray player was the PS3 for the longest time. Blu-ray drives in PCs are notoriously sketch.

Brian Seiler · 08-13-2009, 11:18 AM

I have had a discussion along similar lines with Sony representatives when my Sony Playstation 3 tried to send audio to my Sony Home Theater in a Box system and it kept cutting the signal on the line and the Sony Receiver had to reinitialize the stream so it goes ..ll choppy wh...background sound cuts out.

Unfortunately, the answer they gave me was reasonable, and it was that their HT dudes aren't anywhere near their VG dudes aren't anywhere near their computer dudes. I guess it's the same reason why Sharepoint's webservices don't behave like you would expect webservices to, despite the fact that webservices are a foundational part of the .NET infrastructure. Very annoying, however.

sam and the firefly · 08-13-2009, 01:18 PM

Man, you wouldn't believe the amount of trouble I had hooking up my PS3 to a brand new Bravia TV last month. It still won't work over HDMI!

I truly believe the different departments of Sony Corporation are entirely staffed by different breeds of hamster.

MattKeil · 08-13-2009, 01:22 PM

Isn't there supposedly a lot of rivalry between the different Sony departments? I've repeatedly heard stories of other Sony execs holding grudges against Kutaragi and such.

Jose Liz · 08-13-2009, 06:35 PM

Yea. Howard Stringer went in there trying to fix that. May finally happen after all the layoffs.

bago · 08-14-2009, 03:00 AM

The previous blu-ray releases I bought worked just fine, so they're trying to do BD-Live and a bunch of other junk with this.

unbongwah · 08-14-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MattKeil

Isn't there supposedly a lot of rivalry between the different Sony departments? I've repeatedly heard stories of other Sony execs holding grudges against Kutaragi and such.

Right, because of course the best way to encourage customer loyalty is to ensure their Sony(tm) products don't work well together, just like Sony(tm) employees!

nixon66 · 08-14-2009, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jose Liz

Yea. Howard Stringer went in there trying to fix that. May finally happen after all the layoffs.

Knowing a few people there, they are trying to fix this problem, where each of it's limbs do great stuff, but forget to tell the other limbs how to play nicely with it and so no one gets along at all!

bago · 08-14-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by unbongwah

Shouldn't this go in HW?

Hey man, the movie started it. I was watching Unbreakable in blu-ray just fine the other day.

Union Carbide · 08-14-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by unbongwah

Right, because of course the best way to encourage customer loyalty is to ensure their Sony(tm) products don't work well together, just like Sony(tm) employees!

Just because it's a good idea doesn't mean that people aren't broken.

MatthewF · 08-14-2009, 11:18 AM

I watch BR movies on my HTPC, but none of the hardware involved is manufactured by Sony. The HTPC is custom-built, the BR drive is a slimline made by Silverstone, the receiver is a Pioneer, and the TV is a Westinghouse.

So I guess the trick is, if you want to watch a Sony BR movie, don't use Sony equipment?

Chris Nahr · 08-15-2009, 12:13 AM

I don't have any trouble whatsoever with my Sony Bravia W4000 connected to my Sony PS3. Can't imagine why Sam's setup wouldn't work over HDMI.

sam and the firefly · 08-15-2009, 05:30 AM

I am totally sure that 99% of Bravia users have no trouble, but mine just says 'signal not supported' in Japanese. It's a European PS3, but that shouldn't really be an issue with HDMI as far as I'm aware? Anyway, I got it sorted via D-link component and a lot of blind menu fiddling, but on the other hand my 360 automatically detected the display and offered me a choice of resolutions. It's about the only time I've been impressed with its usability, whereas now I'm scared to touch the back of my PS3 again. The TV uses the XMB interface, for Christ's sake!

I like the TV and the console well enough separately, though, so hopefully the communications thing gets sorted under Stringer. Something tells me I'd have had less problems with a Samsung or something, but xenophobic Japanese retailers don't tend to stock them...

bago · 08-15-2009, 06:40 AM

That's what I get. Audio signal not supported. I'm running a goddamned stereo setup, something supported from the 50's. How do you not support that in 2009? Especially since every other movie has no problem with it?

MatthewF · 08-15-2009, 12:07 PM

Just picked up this on BR. Absolutely no playback problems on the HTPC.

edit: meant HTPC, not HDTV. Durr. Also BR, not DVD. Double-durr.

bago · 08-21-2009, 07:11 PM

Hahahaha! I just got a private message from a sony bot about this thread.

Jarmo · 08-22-2009, 02:01 AM

That's funny! What did the PM say?

MatthewF · 08-22-2009, 02:44 AM

Do tell!

bago · 08-22-2009, 03:09 PM

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cheapfilms · 08-24-2009, 02:03 PM

Sony listens. And waits.

mashakos · 08-24-2009, 02:12 PM

have any of you had Blurays that would stop playing at certain segments?
I recently got the Godfather collection on Bluray, the first disk ran fine but the second one would not work between 1:10 and 1:30. If I skip that segment it works, and the movie is fine before 1:10. The disk is in pristine condition, no scratches fingerprints or whatever.

I checked some forums and a few people seem to have the same problem with this box set.

I don't remember getting a faulty movie DVD, strange. This sucks because I got it from an auction site so... no refunds.

EDIT: Just wanted to add that I have an updated PS3 and a bluray drive on my pc (I also have the latest AnyDVD HD). The disk exhibits the same behaviour on both devices.

Chris Nahr · 08-25-2009, 01:00 AM

Sounds like the pressing slightly deviates from the standard metrics in some way, and your player doesn't like that. That does happen occasionally, sadly. Can also happen with DVDs, my old player always took a few tries to start The Phantom Menace. No problem with a newer player.

Rob_Merritt · 08-25-2009, 03:55 AM

Bluray just sucks balls in general. Every day I'm getting closer to just quiting bluray. I have 3 bluray players (all updated with latest firmware) and 10 bluray disks. Some disks will only play on one of the specfic bluray players. Back in the day, I remember my first DVD player would not play the Matrix and that kind of sucked. I would have hopped that launch a new platform standard that situation could have been avoided but nooooooooooooo.

I'm close to getting a ps3 because apparently it is the only player that will play everything at the moment. That or I'm just going to stop buying movies on bluray.

Prodigy · 08-25-2009, 04:39 AM

I have a cheap LG Blu-ray player on my PC and never had any problem whatsoever in almost 2 years (granted, I must update AnyDVD HD regularly).

But yes the format has been released uncomplete and unfinished, which not only pisses of users who encounters the problems you describe, but gave the format a very poor image in the beginning (updating firmwares on players, single layers discs with crappy MPEG-2 encoding, etc).

XPav · 08-25-2009, 05:57 PM

I'm sure glad I bought into HD-DVD.

Because that means that I bought a combo HD-DVD/Blu-Ray player, which, while slow as freaking molasses, plays everything just fine.

I still can't figure out what the different types of menus are though. Top Menu? Regular Menu?

Chris Nahr · 08-26-2009, 12:04 AM

The PS3 plays every BD just fine, too...

Top menu is the one at the start of the movie, I think, and regular menu is the one that's overlaid on the movie while it's playing. DVDs didn't have the latter kind.

08-13-2009, 11:07 AM	#1
bago New Romantic Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: smrt Posts: 7,781	Sony sucks balls the size of Los Angeles. I bought the watchmen DVD. Pretty cool right. Tried to play it on my sony laptop hooked up via hdmi to my sony flatscreen. Crashed of course. This was only annoying. The next six hours spent upgrading and rebooting the sony software that the sony updater software forgot to tell me about was fun. Even now, I'm at a point where I can hear audio on the commercials, but my entire sony setup tells me it can't understand the audio format when trying to play a sony blu-ray disc on my sony setup. Fuck them. Fuck them up their stupid asses.

08-15-2009, 12:07 PM	#16
MatthewF New Romantic Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 6,029	Just picked up this on BR. Absolutely no playback problems on the HTPC. edit: meant HTPC, not HDTV. Durr. Also BR, not DVD. Double-durr. Last edited by MatthewF; 08-17-2009 at 03:15 PM..

08-24-2009, 02:12 PM	#22
mashakos Spinning Toe Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 900	have any of you had Blurays that would stop playing at certain segments? I recently got the Godfather collection on Bluray, the first disk ran fine but the second one would not work between 1:10 and 1:30. If I skip that segment it works, and the movie is fine before 1:10. The disk is in pristine condition, no scratches fingerprints or whatever. I checked some forums and a few people seem to have the same problem with this box set. I don't remember getting a faulty movie DVD, strange. This sucks because I got it from an auction site so... no refunds. EDIT: Just wanted to add that I have an updated PS3 and a bluray drive on my pc (I also have the latest AnyDVD HD). The disk exhibits the same behaviour on both devices. Last edited by mashakos; 08-25-2009 at 08:34 AM..

08-13-2009, 11:13 AM	#2
Jakub New Romantic Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,951	I'm not sure if it's true, but the only 100% compatible, fast, and reliable Blu-ray player was the PS3 for the longest time. Blu-ray drives in PCs are notoriously sketch.

08-13-2009, 11:18 AM	#3
Brian Seiler Social Worker Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4,074	I have had a discussion along similar lines with Sony representatives when my Sony Playstation 3 tried to send audio to my Sony Home Theater in a Box system and it kept cutting the signal on the line and the Sony Receiver had to reinitialize the stream so it goes ..ll choppy wh...background sound cuts out. Unfortunately, the answer they gave me was reasonable, and it was that their HT dudes aren't anywhere near their VG dudes aren't anywhere near their computer dudes. I guess it's the same reason why Sharepoint's webservices don't behave like you would expect webservices to, despite the fact that webservices are a foundational part of the .NET infrastructure. Very annoying, however.

08-13-2009, 01:18 PM	#4
sam and the firefly Mad Chester Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Osaka Posts: 1,225	Man, you wouldn't believe the amount of trouble I had hooking up my PS3 to a brand new Bravia TV last month. It still won't work over HDMI! I truly believe the different departments of Sony Corporation are entirely staffed by different breeds of hamster.

08-13-2009, 01:22 PM	#5
MattKeil How To Go Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 10,467	Isn't there supposedly a lot of rivalry between the different Sony departments? I've repeatedly heard stories of other Sony execs holding grudges against Kutaragi and such.

08-13-2009, 06:35 PM	#6
Jose Liz Social Worker Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,822	Yea. Howard Stringer went in there trying to fix that. May finally happen after all the layoffs.

08-14-2009, 03:00 AM	#7
bago New Romantic Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: smrt Posts: 7,781	The previous blu-ray releases I bought worked just fine, so they're trying to do BD-Live and a bunch of other junk with this.

08-14-2009, 11:18 AM	#12
MatthewF New Romantic Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 6,029	I watch BR movies on my HTPC, but none of the hardware involved is manufactured by Sony. The HTPC is custom-built, the BR drive is a slimline made by Silverstone, the receiver is a Pioneer, and the TV is a Westinghouse. So I guess the trick is, if you want to watch a Sony BR movie, don't use Sony equipment?

08-15-2009, 12:13 AM	#13
Chris Nahr How To Go Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Aurora Posts: 12,768	I don't have any trouble whatsoever with my Sony Bravia W4000 connected to my Sony PS3. Can't imagine why Sam's setup wouldn't work over HDMI.

08-15-2009, 05:30 AM	#14
sam and the firefly Mad Chester Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Osaka Posts: 1,225	I am totally sure that 99% of Bravia users have no trouble, but mine just says 'signal not supported' in Japanese. It's a European PS3, but that shouldn't really be an issue with HDMI as far as I'm aware? Anyway, I got it sorted via D-link component and a lot of blind menu fiddling, but on the other hand my 360 automatically detected the display and offered me a choice of resolutions. It's about the only time I've been impressed with its usability, whereas now I'm scared to touch the back of my PS3 again. The TV uses the XMB interface, for Christ's sake! I like the TV and the console well enough separately, though, so hopefully the communications thing gets sorted under Stringer. Something tells me I'd have had less problems with a Samsung or something, but xenophobic Japanese retailers don't tend to stock them...

08-15-2009, 06:40 AM	#15
bago New Romantic Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: smrt Posts: 7,781	That's what I get. Audio signal not supported. I'm running a goddamned stereo setup, something supported from the 50's. How do you not support that in 2009? Especially since every other movie has no problem with it?

08-21-2009, 07:11 PM	#17
bago New Romantic Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: smrt Posts: 7,781	Hahahaha! I just got a private message from a sony bot about this thread.

08-22-2009, 02:01 AM	#18
Jarmo Mad Chester Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Empire Bay. Also: Oulu, Finland. Posts: 1,334	That's funny! What did the PM say?

08-22-2009, 02:44 AM	#19
MatthewF New Romantic Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 6,029	Do tell!

08-24-2009, 02:03 PM	#21
cheapfilms Broad Band Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 276	Sony listens. And waits.

08-25-2009, 01:00 AM	#23
Chris Nahr How To Go Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Aurora Posts: 12,768	Sounds like the pressing slightly deviates from the standard metrics in some way, and your player doesn't like that. That does happen occasionally, sadly. Can also happen with DVDs, my old player always took a few tries to start The Phantom Menace. No problem with a newer player.

08-25-2009, 03:55 AM	#24
Rob_Merritt New Romantic Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Gamertag: Baron Calamity Posts: 9,962	Bluray just sucks balls in general. Every day I'm getting closer to just quiting bluray. I have 3 bluray players (all updated with latest firmware) and 10 bluray disks. Some disks will only play on one of the specfic bluray players. Back in the day, I remember my first DVD player would not play the Matrix and that kind of sucked. I would have hopped that launch a new platform standard that situation could have been avoided but nooooooooooooo. I'm close to getting a ps3 because apparently it is the only player that will play everything at the moment. That or I'm just going to stop buying movies on bluray.

08-25-2009, 04:39 AM	#25
Prodigy Neo Acoustic Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Paris, France Posts: 1,812	I have a cheap LG Blu-ray player on my PC and never had any problem whatsoever in almost 2 years (granted, I must update AnyDVD HD regularly). But yes the format has been released uncomplete and unfinished, which not only pisses of users who encounters the problems you describe, but gave the format a very poor image in the beginning (updating firmwares on players, single layers discs with crappy MPEG-2 encoding, etc).

08-25-2009, 05:57 PM	#26
XPav How To Go Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 10,846	I'm sure glad I bought into HD-DVD. Because that means that I bought a combo HD-DVD/Blu-Ray player, which, while slow as freaking molasses, plays everything just fine. I still can't figure out what the different types of menus are though. Top Menu? Regular Menu?

08-26-2009, 12:04 AM	#27
Chris Nahr How To Go Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Aurora Posts: 12,768	The PS3 plays every BD just fine, too... Top menu is the one at the start of the movie, I think, and regular menu is the one that's overlaid on the movie while it's playing. DVDs didn't have the latter kind.

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