Haze + You = out there in the cold

TomChick · 05-20-2008, 01:04 AM

I've played through the whole thing and...

garin · 05-20-2008, 01:31 AM

How disappointing. Because of its pedigree, this was really the first game to make me wish I had a PS3. At least I can hold off on that now.

Chris Nahr · 05-20-2008, 01:53 AM

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Haze is utter and complete tripe. If I can prevent just one of you from throwing away money on this underdone turd of a shooter, I will be happy.

WHAT. How could that happen to Free Radical? :(

Thanks for the warning. Fortunately I haven't preordered Haze.

RichardC · 05-20-2008, 01:54 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_WIzT0HMEw

intruder · 05-20-2008, 02:04 AM

Damn!
How could they possibly screw up this interesting setting (Nectar)?
Looking forward to your review Tom and thanks for the warning!

DustyTheHamster · 05-20-2008, 02:56 AM

Phew, I was thinking there might actually have been a PS3 exclusive that could bait me into getting the system. Thanks for the heads up on that Tom.

BanGy.nz · 05-20-2008, 02:59 AM

Can't say I'm surprised.

Naeblis · 05-20-2008, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyTheHamster

Phew, I was thinking there might actually have been a PS3 exclusive that could bait me into getting the system. Thanks for the heads up on that Tom.

I think this title went from multiplatform to only PS3 because Ubi knew of the game's quality and they thought it it couldn't compete against the pc and 360 shooters, so they limited themselves in the PS3 where the less number of games (and less good shooters) could mean better sales, even when the game isn't especially good. Or average.

SergioBAM · 05-20-2008, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Naeblis

I think this title went from multiplatform to only PS3 because Ubi knew of the game's quality and they thought it it couldn't compete against the pc and 360 shooters, so they limited themselves in the PS3 where the less number of games (and less good shooters) could mean better sales, even when the game isn't especially good. Or average.

That sounds wrong, from a marketing point of view. If your game is sub-par, you would want to release it on multiple platforms; increasing your sales market. Sucker-in people from a wider pool.

Then again, it all depends upon the cost of making it multi-platform, if it really did start out as multi-platform, distribution of multi-platform media.

Too bad about the game, I had a slight interest in it (an interest that went from being slight to yes, I will pick it up, as this is the only thing that interests me on the PS3).

thamer · 05-20-2008, 05:19 AM

Well, at least we have Resistance: FOM as our PS3 Halo.

MemoryKay · 05-20-2008, 05:25 AM

... oh hell no :S I'll still buy it...

Wholly Schmidt · 05-20-2008, 05:32 AM

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Haze + You = out there in the cold

Oh hey, I just got this.

Wendelius · 05-20-2008, 05:47 AM

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/875/875229p1.html

4.5 / 10.

Wendelius

Jazar · 05-20-2008, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SergioBAM

That sounds wrong, from a marketing point of view. If your game is sub-par, you would want to release it on multiple platforms; increasing your sales market. Sucker-in people from a wider pool.

When you make your game exclusive, a lot of free attention is given to the title. There have been quite a few multi-platform FPS' that have been released this year as good or bad as HAZE that have come and gone without a second glance.

mono · 05-20-2008, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Wholly Schmidt

Oh hey, I just got this.

Care to explain for those of us a bit slow on the uptake?

Shadowz · 05-20-2008, 06:39 AM

It can't be that bad can it? I've played the demo and thought it was a pretty solid shooter, nothing revolutionary but solid. Could you elaborate on its problems? When I played the demo, I got the impression that it was on par with Army of Two (which got solid 8/10's from most places).

zengonzo · 05-20-2008, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jazar

When you make your game exclusive, a lot of free attention is given to the title. There have been quite a few multi-platform FPS' that have been released this year as good or bad as HAZE that have come and gone without a second glance.

And there is somewhat less competition on the PS3, where the more devout fans who reject the 360 are more eager for altars at which to worship.

I still can't say - apart from the developer - what made Haze so appealing in the first place. How did the Nectar concept seem more appealing than buffs in any other name?

zengonzo · 05-20-2008, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RichardC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_WIzT0HMEw

Holy fuck ..

Ask me why my brain hurts now ... Ask me why!

Wholly Schmidt · 05-20-2008, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mono

Care to explain for those of us a bit slow on the uptake?

Pink Floyd:
Hey you, out there in the cold
Getting lonely, getting old
Can you feel me?

Rock8man · 05-20-2008, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Wholly Schmidt

Pink Floyd:
Hey you, out there in the cold
Getting lonely, getting old
Can you feel me?

Nice catch. I wouldn't have gotten that reference, and I'm a big Floyd fan, and I've even seen them perform that song in concert.

Wholly Schmidt · 05-20-2008, 07:07 AM

I didn't catch it when I read the thread the first time this morning, but a couple hours later it clicked.

ZekeDMS · 05-20-2008, 07:15 AM

Well, fuck.

This was one of two things I was REALLY wanting on PS3. This, MGS, and the fact I have a reasoanble blu-ray supply thanks to work were pushing me to get one finally.

I mean I'd been cheering this on since 2006, I still have a box of nectar given out at E3. To hear it's so bad, well, that's a real disappointment.

intruder · 05-20-2008, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by zengonzo

I still can't say - apart from the developer - what made Haze so appealing in the first place. How did the Nectar concept seem more appealing than buffs in any other name?

There are hardly any buffs in FPS games.
To me the concept of seeing things differently depending if you have a shot of "nectar" in your system or not sounded pretty cool.
Also the first E3 trailer looked promising -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqk3EmYTKZg
(I loved how he smashed the "camera" at the end).

Chris Nahr · 05-20-2008, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Wendelius

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/875/875229p1.html

That was a nicely detailed and informative review. Apparently Free Radical got nearly everything wrong they could, from story to balancing to NPC AI. I would never have expected that.

zengonzo · 05-20-2008, 07:43 AM

There are many shooters with buffs.

The fact that you can overdose might be the most unique aspect.

Does anyone have a good gameplay trailer that shows the interesting spin Nectar applies?

intruder · 05-20-2008, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by zengonzo

There are many shooters with buffs.

Examples?
I can only think of "Timeshift".

Oh and I don't count "slowmo" as buff anymore since this is used by most of them today.

ckessel · 05-20-2008, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by intruder

Examples?
I can only think of "Timeshift".

Oh and I don't count "slowmo" as buff anymore since this is used by most of them today.

Gee, top of my head....

Halo with shield buffs, invisibility buffs, etc. I think Doom/Quake might have had buffs. Wouldn't suprise me if Unreal Tournament did as well, but I'm generally not a FPS player.

Team Fortress 2 has the uber-buff, though that comes from a teammate.

Buffs are pretty damn common.

zengonzo · 05-20-2008, 08:00 AM

Crysis, Team Fortress, Halo - anything that lets you temporarily supercharge a shield, or firepower, or speed, or whatever.

I'm just saying that I don't see what is especially appealing about this particular Nectar mechanic. It seems like it isn't enough to distinguish a game in a bursting-at-the-seams genre. I'm trying, though - I'm really trying.

In the interest of full disclosure, I'm not a huge FPS fan. I love good ones, and I figure I can usually recognize the appeal of other popular ones - but it doesn't feel like the Nectar thing is enough to carry this game, and that seems to be the thing people and marketing are focused on. I feel like I've missed something here.

Do you have an inspiring gameplay video of the Nectar in action?

BobJustBob · 05-20-2008, 08:10 AM

Can't be any worse than HL2.

metta · 05-20-2008, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BobJustBob

Can't be any worse than HL2.

Did someone make you Head Bee Guy, and day after day you have to keep whacking the nest to make sure they're all still in there?

05-20-2008, 01:04 AM	#1
TomChick Administrator World's End Supernova Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 18,200	Haze + You = out there in the cold I've played through the whole thing and... Last edited by TomChick; 05-23-2008 at 11:17 PM..

05-20-2008, 01:31 AM	#2
garin Spinning Toe Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Gamertag: Mr Probot Posts: 755	How disappointing. Because of its pedigree, this was really the first game to make me wish I had a PS3. At least I can hold off on that now.

05-20-2008, 01:54 AM	#4
RichardC Social Worker Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: England Posts: 2,911	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_WIzT0HMEw

05-20-2008, 02:04 AM	#5
intruder Social Worker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 2,793	Damn! How could they possibly screw up this interesting setting (Nectar)? Looking forward to your review Tom and thanks for the warning!

05-20-2008, 02:56 AM	#6
DustyTheHamster Spinning Toe Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Outside of my cage Gamertag/PSN:DustyTheHamster Posts: 556	Phew, I was thinking there might actually have been a PS3 exclusive that could bait me into getting the system. Thanks for the heads up on that Tom.

05-20-2008, 02:59 AM	#7
BanGy.nz Bad Girl Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 18	Can't say I'm surprised.

05-20-2008, 05:19 AM	#10
thamer Broad Band Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 246	Well, at least we have Resistance: FOM as our PS3 Halo.

05-20-2008, 05:25 AM	#11
MemoryKay Good Shape Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 53	... oh hell no :S I'll still buy it...

05-20-2008, 05:47 AM	#13
Wendelius Spinning Toe Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Londinium, UK Posts: 663	http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/875/875229p1.html 4.5 / 10. Wendelius

05-20-2008, 06:39 AM	#16
Shadowz Bad Girl Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Completing Ninja Training in the mountains Posts: 16	It can't be that bad can it? I've played the demo and thought it was a pretty solid shooter, nothing revolutionary but solid. Could you elaborate on its problems? When I played the demo, I got the impression that it was on par with Army of Two (which got solid 8/10's from most places).

05-20-2008, 07:07 AM	#21
Wholly Schmidt Battle Dancer How To Go Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Space Planet Posts: 11,155	I didn't catch it when I read the thread the first time this morning, but a couple hours later it clicked.

05-20-2008, 07:15 AM	#22
ZekeDMS Social Worker Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ, 3rd circle of Hell Posts: 2,153	Well, fuck. This was one of two things I was REALLY wanting on PS3. This, MGS, and the fact I have a reasoanble blu-ray supply thanks to work were pushing me to get one finally. I mean I'd been cheering this on since 2006, I still have a box of nectar given out at E3. To hear it's so bad, well, that's a real disappointment.

05-20-2008, 07:43 AM	#25
zengonzo New Romantic Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Panama City Posts: 8,225	There are many shooters with buffs. The fact that you can overdose might be the most unique aspect. Does anyone have a good gameplay trailer that shows the interesting spin Nectar applies?

05-20-2008, 08:00 AM	#28
zengonzo New Romantic Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Panama City Posts: 8,225	Crysis, Team Fortress, Halo - anything that lets you temporarily supercharge a shield, or firepower, or speed, or whatever. I'm just saying that I don't see what is especially appealing about this particular Nectar mechanic. It seems like it isn't enough to distinguish a game in a bursting-at-the-seams genre. I'm trying, though - I'm really trying. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm not a huge FPS fan. I love good ones, and I figure I can usually recognize the appeal of other popular ones - but it doesn't feel like the Nectar thing is enough to carry this game, and that seems to be the thing people and marketing are focused on. I feel like I've missed something here. Do you have an inspiring gameplay video of the Nectar in action?

05-20-2008, 08:10 AM	#29
BobJustBob New Romantic Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Madison, AL PSN&Live:BobJustBob Posts: 8,590	Can't be any worse than HL2.

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