BF 2142 already hacked

Charlatan · 08-31-2006, 07:58 AM

What's that old saying, if we don't learn from our mistakes we're doomed to repeat them? Looks like EA hasn't bothered to fix some problems in BF1942, leading to some hacks that work there still working in BF2142 - here's a wall hack.

And to top it off, I saw an announcement over at Firing Squad or Shacknews saying that EA had signed a deal with Massive to have in-game ads in BF2142 (and in NFS:Carbon) to make the experiences "more realistic." Uh, yeah.

You may chime in with your "Fuck EA"s now.

Soldats · 08-31-2006, 08:09 AM

I want to point and laugh, but instead, I'll just recommend Quake Wars.

Reldan · 08-31-2006, 08:20 AM

You mean paying $50 for an overhyped mod of a overblown buggy game isn't enough?

It makes me sad in the pants that crap like this is going to make bank and encourage EA to keep doing it over, and over, and over again.

It's a sad Christmas that they can sell a mod like this as a full retail game and the talented guys that did PoE2 will probably wind up with next to nothing for their efforts.

Oh yeah, PoE2 is sweet. It's like playing BF2 designed by guys who have brains.

Fuck EA.

Dave Long · 08-31-2006, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Soldats

I want to point and laugh, but instead, I'll just recommend Quake Wars.

It's not out until 2007. How can you already recommend it?

flyinj · 08-31-2006, 09:39 AM

I've been playing the beta of 2142, and it's actually very well designed. Enough effort was put into it to warrant selling it as a new game in my opinion.

As far as the Massive ads thing, this game is completely off my list now. What in the hell. The game takes place in 2142, how is the already innane "making it more realistic by putting ads in it" excuse applicable at all in this situation?

Luke M · 08-31-2006, 09:43 AM

Looks like the floodgates are opening at EA. I can't wait to see the brand presence that IGA will inevitably bring to Crysis. A billboard couldn't be more at home in a tropical island jungle or alien spaceship. And just imagine the possibilities for Spore and C&C 3. Someone needs to come up with a slogan that incorporates a major product brand into Joe Kucan's "You can't kill the messiah" line from the most recent C&C 3 trailer.

cliffski · 08-31-2006, 09:50 AM

please please please don't fuck up spore by adding lots of adverts to it. I HATE in-game ads, and spore is one of the few games I'm excited about (plus lego star wars 2 and potbs)

MarchHare · 08-31-2006, 09:52 AM

The only time in-game ads are relevent to help immersiveness is in sports and racing games (arena ads, etc.) or games that take place in a modern setting (the billboards in GRAW, for example, actually improve the game, IMO).

In-game ads have no fucking place whatsoever in a fantasy or sci-fi game.

Ergo · 08-31-2006, 09:53 AM

The cool thing is that since the game will have in-game ads, EA will be charging far less for it. Right? Right???

steve · 08-31-2006, 09:54 AM

Jeez, you guys are so cynical. I got a press release from DICE that sums up why this is a good thing: "Through the agreement, fans of the franchise will see new, realistic brand presence integrated into contextually relevant game environments. Digital Illusions is entitled to a share of all the revenues generated from the advertising featured in Battlefield 2142."

"Realistic brand presence integrated into contextually relevant game environments" is my new favorite saying.

FIDGAF · 08-31-2006, 10:01 AM

And this surprised who? Punkbuster is ineffective for advanced hackers.
Two thoughts: Memory Hacking, Detouring\Root Kits.
PB will happily report everything's OK back to the server even when it's scanning the wrong dll or exe.

The best solution I can think of is run private games with people you know until there's a better option.

flyinj · 08-31-2006, 10:13 AM

Well thank god PB takes longer to verify client than the level takes to load in BF2. Good to know it's really doing it's job.

FIDGAF · 08-31-2006, 10:22 AM

It's the same game engine so all the hacks from the previous game will apply.
Good news for hackers, bad news for anybody that doesn't cheat.

Reldan · 08-31-2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by steve

"Realistic brand presence integrated into contextually relevant game environments" is my new favorite saying.

Mine too.

So they'll be advertising things like Wal-Starbucks-Mart, Coca-Pepsi-Cola, and Snakes on a Plane XXXII?

Ben Sones · 08-31-2006, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by steve

"Realistic brand presence integrated into contextually relevant game environments" is my new favorite saying.

I wonder which real-world brands are "contextually relevant" to environments that are supposed to exist 136 years in the future? It's like having a NASCAR game filled with billboards advertising petticoats and velocipedes and and coal-fired parlor stoves. Pretty silly.

Jim B · 08-31-2006, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben Sones

I wonder which real-world brands are "contextually relevant" to environments that are supposed to exist 136 years in the future? It's like having a NASCAR game filled with billboards advertising petticoats and velocipedes and and coal-fired parlor stoves. Pretty silly.

You have no imagination. You don't think Coca-Cola wants to be seen as a resilient brand, that exists even in teh far-flung war-torn future?

See 'Minority Report' and 'AI' and every lousy SF blockbuster made since 1990 for more on this late-breaking story.

Reldan · 08-31-2006, 11:08 AM

Well, certainly there will be EA billboards in the game, since they know they'll be around another 136 years.

I'd expect to see advertisements for Madden 2142 at the very least.

unbongwah · 08-31-2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Reldan

It makes me sad in the pants that crap like this is going to make bank and encourage EA to keep doing it over, and over, and over again.

Who's the more foolish, the fool who designs it or the fool who buys it?

[I'm sorry, Zombie Sir Alec Guinness! Please don't eat my brain! It's all gummy and icky and you wouldn't like it!]

Reldan · 08-31-2006, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by unbongwah

Who's the more foolish, the fool who designs it or the fool who buys it?

[I'm sorry, Zombie Sir Alec Guinness! Please don't eat my brain! It's all gummy and icky and you wouldn't like it!]

Their attempts to convince the public at large that these products are good and worth money borders on quackery. EA is in the same boat as Bose and Monster Cable on this.

It's like a used car salesman selling lemon vehicles to uninformed people - the buyers should know better, but shame on the salesman for taking advantage like that.

Lum · 08-31-2006, 11:21 AM

There is precedent here with Massive.

In the grim future of Planetside, there is only Deuce Bigalow, European Gigolo.

Charlatan · 08-31-2006, 11:24 AM

Well, that's kind of realistic; often in online games people are concerned with the size of their e-peens.... they picked the perfect market to advertise that movie!

Ben Sones · 08-31-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim B

You have no imagination. You don't think Coca-Cola wants to be seen as a resilient brand, that exists even in teh far-flung war-torn future?

Oh, sure--there are some brands that could work. Are those the ads they are going to get, though? Somehow, I have trouble believing that EA is going to be that selective.

Lum · 08-31-2006, 11:30 AM

Heh. Other shots:

As the article says, few things make a utilitarian base look more realistic than a huge mounted billboard for a bad movie.

I really, REALLY despise the trend in our culture to commercialize things we already pay for. My XM radio - which I pay a subscription for - has Cialis ads. Movies - which I pay to attend - have Coke commercials before the movie starts. Now MMOs and other multiplayer games - which, again, I paid for - are plugging in commercials. This is pathetically transparent exploitation and why we put up with it as consumers, I don't know.

Not that I feel anything about it one way or the other, or anything.

cliffski · 08-31-2006, 11:35 AM

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/09/18

Luke M · 08-31-2006, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Lum

I really, REALLY despise the trend in our culture to commercialize things we already pay for. My XM radio - which I pay a subscription for - has Cialis ads. Movies - which I pay to attend - have Coke commercials before the movie starts. Now MMOs and other multiplayer games - which, again, I paid for - are plugging in commercials. This is pathetically transparent exploitation and why we put up with it as consumers, I don't know.

I don't either, but maybe it can tie into the recent thread about the 40% addiction rate in WoW.

It's stuff like this that threatens to stifle my interest in gaming permanently. Contemporary advertising has always felt manipulative to me, and it's seemingly impossible to escape. I won't willingly subject myself to it, even as it infects a hobby I enjoy. I think I'll just spend more time outside. Until someone puts an ad in the sky.

metta · 08-31-2006, 02:26 PM

What's that, Mythic?

Oh well, too late.

Kunikos · 08-31-2006, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by flyinj

The game takes place in 2142, how is the already innane "making it more realistic by putting ads in it" excuse applicable at all in this situation?

Unless it's giant floating jumbo-trons of geishas selling me electronics, ala Blade Runner...

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Originally Posted by Luke Malish

Until someone puts an ad in the sky.

I read the link, the bit that gets me is the idea that children even know what section of the sky is Virgo in the first place. I certainly was never taught that sort of thing in the public education system. Hell, you're lucky in some populated areas if you can even SEE the stars through all the smog.

Moore · 08-31-2006, 03:00 PM

Lum: the XM thing bothered me too when they sent out the mailing, but they handled it ok.

It was something like, clearchannel had some investment in them and wanted to start putting ads on the channels they had a stake in or something. So what they did was, they allowed CC to put ads in like 12-14 channels or some shit, and then added that same amount of new channels, so you still have the same # of commrecial free channels.

It was some attempt to mitigate the problem, at least.

Lum · 08-31-2006, 03:11 PM

Didn't mitigate it for me, I'm going out to buy a Sirius set today. None of the channels they added I had any interest in, and they are dropping channels right and left (MSNBC is getting axed next month)

Kunikos · 08-31-2006, 03:14 PM

Don't kid yourself though, a bunch of the Sirius channels have commercials too.

08-31-2006, 07:58 AM	#1
Charlatan Social Worker Join Date: May 2006 Location: In the Mancave Steam: Charlatan * XBLA: CharlatanPrime Posts: 2,123	BF 2142 already hacked What's that old saying, if we don't learn from our mistakes we're doomed to repeat them? Looks like EA hasn't bothered to fix some problems in BF1942, leading to some hacks that work there still working in BF2142 - here's a wall hack. And to top it off, I saw an announcement over at Firing Squad or Shacknews saying that EA had signed a deal with Massive to have in-game ads in BF2142 (and in NFS:Carbon) to make the experiences "more realistic." Uh, yeah. You may chime in with your "Fuck EA"s now.

08-31-2006, 08:09 AM	#2
Soldats Hustle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 457	I want to point and laugh, but instead, I'll just recommend Quake Wars.

08-31-2006, 08:20 AM	#3
Reldan Social Worker Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 3,400	You mean paying $50 for an overhyped mod of a overblown buggy game isn't enough? It makes me sad in the pants that crap like this is going to make bank and encourage EA to keep doing it over, and over, and over again. It's a sad Christmas that they can sell a mod like this as a full retail game and the talented guys that did PoE2 will probably wind up with next to nothing for their efforts. Oh yeah, PoE2 is sweet. It's like playing BF2 designed by guys who have brains. Fuck EA.

08-31-2006, 09:39 AM	#5
flyinj Social Worker Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 4,344	I've been playing the beta of 2142, and it's actually very well designed. Enough effort was put into it to warrant selling it as a new game in my opinion. As far as the Massive ads thing, this game is completely off my list now. What in the hell. The game takes place in 2142, how is the already innane "making it more realistic by putting ads in it" excuse applicable at all in this situation?

08-31-2006, 09:43 AM	#6
Luke M Neo Acoustic Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,690	Looks like the floodgates are opening at EA. I can't wait to see the brand presence that IGA will inevitably bring to Crysis. A billboard couldn't be more at home in a tropical island jungle or alien spaceship. And just imagine the possibilities for Spore and C&C 3. Someone needs to come up with a slogan that incorporates a major product brand into Joe Kucan's "You can't kill the messiah" line from the most recent C&C 3 trailer.

08-31-2006, 09:50 AM	#7
cliffski Social Worker Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Deepest Wilt-shire in the United Kingdom! Posts: 2,908	please please please don't fuck up spore by adding lots of adverts to it. I HATE in-game ads, and spore is one of the few games I'm excited about (plus lego star wars 2 and potbs)

08-31-2006, 09:52 AM	#8
MarchHare Social Worker Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calgary, AB, Canada Posts: 2,661	The only time in-game ads are relevent to help immersiveness is in sports and racing games (arena ads, etc.) or games that take place in a modern setting (the billboards in GRAW, for example, actually improve the game, IMO). In-game ads have no fucking place whatsoever in a fantasy or sci-fi game.

08-31-2006, 09:53 AM	#9
Ergo Social Worker Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Gamertag: ErgoWill Posts: 2,679	The cool thing is that since the game will have in-game ads, EA will be charging far less for it. Right? Right???

08-31-2006, 09:54 AM	#10
steve New Romantic Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,918	Jeez, you guys are so cynical. I got a press release from DICE that sums up why this is a good thing: "Through the agreement, fans of the franchise will see new, realistic brand presence integrated into contextually relevant game environments. Digital Illusions is entitled to a share of all the revenues generated from the advertising featured in Battlefield 2142." "Realistic brand presence integrated into contextually relevant game environments" is my new favorite saying.

08-31-2006, 10:01 AM	#11
FIDGAF Neo Acoustic Join Date: May 2006 Location: Really Close to NYC Posts: 1,941	And this surprised who? Punkbuster is ineffective for advanced hackers. Two thoughts: Memory Hacking, Detouring\Root Kits. PB will happily report everything's OK back to the server even when it's scanning the wrong dll or exe. The best solution I can think of is run private games with people you know until there's a better option.

08-31-2006, 10:13 AM	#12
flyinj Social Worker Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 4,344	Well thank god PB takes longer to verify client than the level takes to load in BF2. Good to know it's really doing it's job.

08-31-2006, 10:22 AM	#13
FIDGAF Neo Acoustic Join Date: May 2006 Location: Really Close to NYC Posts: 1,941	It's the same game engine so all the hacks from the previous game will apply. Good news for hackers, bad news for anybody that doesn't cheat.

08-31-2006, 11:08 AM	#17
Reldan Social Worker Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 3,400	Well, certainly there will be EA billboards in the game, since they know they'll be around another 136 years. I'd expect to see advertisements for Madden 2142 at the very least.

08-31-2006, 11:21 AM	#20
Lum New Romantic Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Delirium, Texas Posts: 7,695	There is precedent here with Massive. In the grim future of Planetside, there is only Deuce Bigalow, European Gigolo.

08-31-2006, 11:24 AM	#21
Charlatan Social Worker Join Date: May 2006 Location: In the Mancave Steam: Charlatan * XBLA: CharlatanPrime Posts: 2,123	Well, that's kind of realistic; often in online games people are concerned with the size of their e-peens.... they picked the perfect market to advertise that movie!

08-31-2006, 11:30 AM	#23
Lum New Romantic Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Delirium, Texas Posts: 7,695	Heh. Other shots: As the article says, few things make a utilitarian base look more realistic than a huge mounted billboard for a bad movie. I really, REALLY despise the trend in our culture to commercialize things we already pay for. My XM radio - which I pay a subscription for - has Cialis ads. Movies - which I pay to attend - have Coke commercials before the movie starts. Now MMOs and other multiplayer games - which, again, I paid for - are plugging in commercials. This is pathetically transparent exploitation and why we put up with it as consumers, I don't know. Not that I feel anything about it one way or the other, or anything.

08-31-2006, 11:35 AM	#24
cliffski Social Worker Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Deepest Wilt-shire in the United Kingdom! Posts: 2,908	http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/09/18

08-31-2006, 02:26 PM	#26
metta Traded Gears for Mario game Social Worker Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada - Xbox Gamertag: Subt3xt PSN: Subt3xt- Posts: 3,298	What's that, Mythic? Oh well, too late.

08-31-2006, 03:00 PM	#28
Moore New Romantic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: S. Carolina Gamertag: fulci zombi Posts: 8,945	Lum: the XM thing bothered me too when they sent out the mailing, but they handled it ok. It was something like, clearchannel had some investment in them and wanted to start putting ads on the channels they had a stake in or something. So what they did was, they allowed CC to put ads in like 12-14 channels or some shit, and then added that same amount of new channels, so you still have the same # of commrecial free channels. It was some attempt to mitigate the problem, at least.

08-31-2006, 03:11 PM	#29
Lum New Romantic Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Delirium, Texas Posts: 7,695	Didn't mitigate it for me, I'm going out to buy a Sirius set today. None of the channels they added I had any interest in, and they are dropping channels right and left (MSNBC is getting axed next month)

08-31-2006, 03:14 PM	#30
Kunikos How To Go Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sigil Posts: 11,656	Don't kid yourself though, a bunch of the Sirius channels have commercials too.

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