Derek Smart Does It Again!

DrDel · 02-22-2006, 06:08 AM

Derek Smart, PhD accuses an Avault staffer of being a warez person named "Ice Lord"

The Avault post:
http://forums.avault.com/cgi-bin/ult...874;p=1#000001

The guy's blog:
http://www.alaric.ws/blog.asp#114

DrDel · 02-22-2006, 06:12 AM

wow, they aren't kidding

there is a wikipedia page dedicated to Dr. Derek:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Smart

Squirrel Killer · 02-22-2006, 06:35 AM

Here's the accusation if anyone is looking for it.

Mike Hussey · 02-22-2006, 06:48 AM

Wow Derek and Starforce in the same thread.

It reminds me of the promo for 'The Russia House' - 'Three of the greatest names of the 20th century - Connery, Streep and the USSR'

JMR · 02-22-2006, 07:00 AM

Man there must be some hidden alien artifact in Florida that spawned Jack Thompson and Derek Smart.

SlyFrog · 02-22-2006, 07:02 AM

Oh no he did-ehn!

Myth · 02-22-2006, 07:08 AM

Hey,

It's funny how he says he has never had one complaint about the use of Starforce in his new game (UCAWA) when his forums were lit up for a while people started complaining that they had "used up" all the keys installing and reinstalling the game to get it to work. Until the complainers were threatened by Smart and his toadies or banned of course.

It is also funny when Smart says that Starforce causes no problems his games when he admitted after a patch that a severe performance problem introduced in his game was caused by Starforce.

This is pure comedy. Thanks for the link.

JMR · 02-22-2006, 07:15 AM

I think Avault was the only remaining public message board that tolerated the Taco Commander but after this stunt I think he and his sockpuppets will finally be exiled in the Taco Palace.

extarbags · 02-22-2006, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squirrel Killer

Here's the accusation if anyone is looking for it.

Man, he really just comes out of nowhere, too.

quatoria · 02-22-2006, 07:37 AM

Honestly, if you're already relegated to the Adrenaline Vault, where is there to fall? Is he going to move to No Mutants Allowed next? Some .jp only hentai forum? Where can he go from here?

Oh, right. Octopus Overlords.

Ben Sones · 02-22-2006, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Many in the gaming community know that Mr. Smart has very little credibility and is well known for making false claims. Many such actions of his are documented and can be found listed on a number of web sites including Wikipedia.

Neither the Adrenaline Vault nor NewWorld view this, or any other accusations Mr. Smart may have, as credible or damaging to their operation.

You know, when your lack of credibility has its own Wikipedia entry, maybe it's time to call it quits.

stusser · 02-22-2006, 07:39 AM

Would be great if avault actually sued derek for libel. Angel is every bit as much of a sonofabitch as Derek, but he probably has more staying power when it comes to litigation. As in, he'd actually follow through and do it.

I'd love to see the two of them fight it out. Preferably in a pit filled with snakes egged on by a post-apocalyptic mutant cheerleader squad. Or a knife-fight on rickety catwalks over molten lava, with "icelord" suspended in slowly descending cage to add dramatic tension to the scene. Ahh, good times.

Greedo · 02-22-2006, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quatoria

Honestly, if you're already relegated to the Adrenaline Vault, where is there to fall? Is he going to move to No Mutants Allowed next? Some .jp only hentai forum? Where can he go from here?

Oh, right. Octopus Overlords.

I don't think he's welcome even there anymore.

jfletch · 02-22-2006, 08:31 AM

That link is actually blocked from my work. Shame. Could anyone give suckers like me a quick summary?

Alan Dunkin · 02-22-2006, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Hussey

Wow Derek and Starforce in the same thread.

It reminds me of the promo for 'The Russia House' - 'Three of the greatest names of the 20th century - Connery, Streep and the USSR'

Meryl Streep isn't even in The Russia House.

Kind of interesting in the warez guy's blog that he emphasizes that "we have the right to publish what we want" and a couple of entries later responds to Smart by stating the claim is "libelous" and all that jazz. Of course these are very different situations, but in reflection his be-all statement "publish what we want" appears to be entirely untrue.

The whole "journalist" thing aside, of course...

--- Alan

Talisker · 02-22-2006, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfletch

That link is actually blocked from my work. Shame. Could anyone give suckers like me a quick summary?

Sure. The pertinent bits (from a couple different threads):

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Teplitsky

Bob, admit it, you are simply pogonophobic.
That's why you hate me and even ... Chuck Norris.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek Smart [3000AD]

...and you're a pirate.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Teplitsky

Derek, I assure you that if I ever decided to start pirating, your company would be absolutely in no danger of having me pirate any of your games. Ever.

And that is not because of your copy protection and most certainly not because I think you are a great guy...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek Smart [3000AD]

Oh puhleeze. Only those who aren't up that scene, don't know who you are: Ice Lord. The fact that you're even arrogant enough to use your real name here, is just that: arrogance. And its that arrogance and egomaniacal attributes that gets criminals like you busted.

Everyone knows that I'm the thread archiving guy. So, the day you get busted, I'll be ready to whip up this thread. That day is coming.

Oh, btw [middle finger icon]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Teplitsky

Regarding the accusations:

As many of you already know, Derek Smart has accused me of being a software pirate known as Ice Lord. Mr. Smart has made it abundantly clear that he is not doing so in jest or as a prank.

After receiving legal council on the matter, I would like to make the following statement:

Mr. Smart’s claim is libelous, completely unfounded and malicious. It clearly aims to tarnish my good name, scorn my reputation and damage my career as a journalist. Although I do not know the reason for such actions on Mr. Smart’s part, I find them extremely insulting and damaging.

Many in the gaming community know that Mr. Smart has very little credibility and is well known for making false claims. Many such actions of his are documented and can be found listed on a number of web sites including Wikipedia.

Neither the Adrenaline Vault nor NewWorld view this, or any other accusations Mr. Smart may have, as credible or damaging to their operation.

Thank you for your attention,
Michael Teplitsky.

BobJustBob · 02-22-2006, 08:51 AM

I like this exchange from the thread containing the accusation:

Quote:

Originally Posted by NullMad

Well at least we can all rest in the knowledge that a completely safe copy protection system that leaves traces of itself in the system forever does ABSOLUTELY nothing to prevent people from stealing the games on the net.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek Smart

Only a complete and utter t*t doesn't know how to uninstall it. In fact, SF require that devs who use it, uninstall it as part of the uninstall routine for their games. But guess what? If one game removes it, then it will break another (already installed) game that requires it. Thats why no developer removes it and hence the reason a separate uninstaller exists.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The-Rack

Sooo.... doesn't that mean they DON'T require that devs who use it to uninstall it as part of the uninstall routine for their games?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek Smart

No, thats not what it means. It is at the discretion of the devs to uninstall it as part of their routine. We don't do it for the aforementioned reasons.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The-Rack

Then that's EXACTLY what it means... they do NOT "require" devs to uninstall it as part of their uninstall routine... it's up to them... ergo, they do NOT require that devs remove SF as part of their uninstall routine... because if they did require it, it would hose up other SF games. Thus, your comment that "In fact, SF require that devs who use it, uninstall it as part of the uninstall routine for their games." was in error, as they in fact have a choice as to whether or not to remove SF...?

And Derek never responds again (on that topic)....

EDIT: Wait no there's more, but I can't quote it as I have to go to lunch.

Mike Hussey · 02-22-2006, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Dunkin

Meryl Streep isn't even in The Russia House.

OK now I check it was Pfeiffer. I was going from memory and it was 16 years ago, these days I have problems remembering where I put my reading glasses.

Rob Beschizza · 02-22-2006, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfletch

That link is actually blocked from my work. Shame. Could anyone give suckers like me a quick summary?

EDIT: Beaten to it.

An interesting part is when Derek tells him he is arrogant and egomaniacal.

Rob Beschizza · 02-22-2006, 09:27 AM

Funny stuff from a concurrent thread on the same issue (Starforce) at Avault. I have edited out cruft.

Cosmonaut_Roger
Tom Chick doesn't like Starforce either. That guy must be an idiot, he doesn't know what he's talking about. And his systems crashing? Pffsshaw! That could have been anything! Right Derek?

Derek Smart
Yes, in fact, he is an idiot. Just because he is a writer doesn't rank him any higher than the average wanker ... Rubbish. Complete.Utter.Rubbish.

Cosmonaut_Roger
Derek, every time anyone has posted anything that disagrees with your steadfast opinion on copy protection, your response has been the same. Look back at your posts, and you'll see a trend of "Rubbish" "Conjecture falsehoods" "No evidence to backup claims".

Those are not appropriate responses when someone has posted ... (reiterates verbose complaint about Starforce)

Derek Smart
Shutup! Shutup! Just shut the f*ck up. I'm sick and tired of reading crap from you and your girlfriend. Its the same circular argument and with NO facts about ANYTHING ... You and your pirate friends can continue vying for your few minutes in fame.

GlaziusFalconar · 02-22-2006, 09:27 AM

...I like the bit where he says that "Ice Lord" is the guy's real name. As opposed to "Michael Tiplitsky".

--GF

extarbags · 02-22-2006, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quatoria

Honestly, if you're already relegated to the Adrenaline Vault, where is there to fall? Is he going to move to No Mutants Allowed next? Some .jp only hentai forum? Where can he go from here?

Oh, right. Octopus Overlords.

There's always the gamefaqs message boards.

Alan Dunkin · 02-22-2006, 09:30 AM

Okay maybe I'm just feeling anti-Teplitsky today, but in that exchange it sure seems like childish one-upsmanship, then Teplitsky goes all lawyer on Derek. I'm not sure what the hell Derek was thinking, seemingly pulling the Ice Lord comment out of his ass, but it makes for oddly amusing reading.

--- Alan

Rob Beschizza · 02-22-2006, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Dunkin

Okay maybe I'm just feeling anti-Teplitsky today, but in that exchange it sure seems like childish one-upsmanship, then Teplitsky goes all lawyer on Derek. I'm not sure what the hell Derek was thinking, seemingly pulling the Ice Lord comment out of his ass, but it makes for oddly amusing reading.

--- Alan

And Mr. Teplitsky (writing on his blog) has just found out that libel cases usually result only in apologies, and cost many thousands of dollars to pursue.

Also, looking at his resume, his skillset doesn't suggest "cracker." Lots of tech basics, but not one programming language, except a reference to ASP. Doesn't being an ICE LORD require one to use disassemblers and languages with complicated horrors like pointers and all that stuff?

Myth · 02-22-2006, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Dunkin

Okay maybe I'm just feeling anti-Teplitsky today, but in that exchange it sure seems like childish one-upsmanship, then Teplitsky goes all lawyer on Derek. I'm not sure what the hell Derek was thinking, seemingly pulling the Ice Lord comment out of his ass, but it makes for oddly amusing reading.

--- Alan

Maybe Mr. Teplitksy legal threats were merely a 'homage' to Dr. Smart who always has teams of lawyers on hand scouring the Internets for instances of despicable and libelous slander. ;-)

mystery · 02-22-2006, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Beschizza

Doesn't being an ICE LORD require one to use disassemblers and languages with complicated horrors like pointers and all that stuff?

I was under the impression that the modern pirate scene was 99% disseminating the already cracked code, and one guy someplace in Europe (typically) cracking the code.

Shadarr · 02-22-2006, 10:05 AM

I love Derek. Why did you guys ban him from here? Sure it's no fun when he threatens to sue you, but you take your turn for the good of the group.

Alan Dunkin · 02-22-2006, 10:06 AM

These days much of the participation involves high-speed distribution schemes rather than the actual cracking, both of course are still needed.

--- Alan

Rob Beschizza · 02-22-2006, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Dunkin

These days much of the participation involves high-speed distribution schemes rather than the actual cracking, both of course are still needed.

--- Alan

Huh, I guess the awe-inspiring nom de piraterie made me assume some kind of importance or skill. Maybe "ICE DONKEY" would have been more apt.

Hump · 02-22-2006, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Beschizza

Funny stuff from a concurrent thread on the same issue (Starforce) at Avault. I have edited out cruft.

Cosmonaut_Roger
Tom Chick doesn't like Starforce either. That guy must be an idiot, he doesn't know what he's talking about. And his systems crashing? Pffsshaw! That could have been anything! Right Derek?

Derek Smart
Yes, in fact, he is an idiot. Just because he is a writer doesn't rank him any higher than the average wanker ... Rubbish. Complete.Utter.Rubbish.

Cosmonaut_Roger
Derek, every time anyone has posted anything that disagrees with your steadfast opinion on copy protection, your response has been the same. Look back at your posts, and you'll see a trend of "Rubbish" "Conjecture falsehoods" "No evidence to backup claims".

Those are not appropriate responses when someone has posted ... (reiterates verbose complaint about Starforce)

Derek Smart
Shutup! Shutup! Just shut the f*ck up. I'm sick and tired of reading crap from you and your girlfriend. Its the same circular argument and with NO facts about ANYTHING ... You and your pirate friends can continue vying for your few minutes in fame.

long live Derek. So much entertainment from the mind of one (insane) man.

02-22-2006, 07:08 AM	#7
Myth Spinning Toe Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario. PSN + Gamertag: Ixxit Posts: 801	Hey, It's funny how he says he has never had one complaint about the use of Starforce in his new game (UCAWA) when his forums were lit up for a while people started complaining that they had "used up" all the keys installing and reinstalling the game to get it to work. Until the complainers were threatened by Smart and his toadies or banned of course. It is also funny when Smart says that Starforce causes no problems his games when he admitted after a patch that a severe performance problem introduced in his game was caused by Starforce. This is pure comedy. Thanks for the link. Last edited by Myth; 02-22-2006 at 07:24 AM..

02-22-2006, 06:08 AM	#1
DrDel Mad Chester Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,477	Derek Smart Does It Again! Derek Smart, PhD accuses an Avault staffer of being a warez person named "Ice Lord" The Avault post: http://forums.avault.com/cgi-bin/ult...874;p=1#000001 The guy's blog: http://www.alaric.ws/blog.asp#114 Last edited by DrDel; 02-22-2006 at 06:15 AM..

02-22-2006, 06:12 AM	#2
DrDel Mad Chester Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,477	wow, they aren't kidding there is a wikipedia page dedicated to Dr. Derek: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Smart

02-22-2006, 06:35 AM	#3
Squirrel Killer New Romantic Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mr. Pickles Fun Time Abortion Clinics, we bring out the kid in you! Gamertag:Squirrel Killer Posts: 5,287	Here's the accusation if anyone is looking for it.

02-22-2006, 06:48 AM	#4
Mike Hussey Neo Acoustic Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Airstrip One Posts: 1,516	Wow Derek and Starforce in the same thread. It reminds me of the promo for 'The Russia House' - 'Three of the greatest names of the 20th century - Connery, Streep and the USSR'

02-22-2006, 07:00 AM	#5
JMR Social Worker Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,336	Man there must be some hidden alien artifact in Florida that spawned Jack Thompson and Derek Smart.

02-22-2006, 07:02 AM	#6
SlyFrog New Romantic Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 5,282	Oh no he did-ehn!

02-22-2006, 07:15 AM	#8
JMR Social Worker Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,336	I think Avault was the only remaining public message board that tolerated the Taco Commander but after this stunt I think he and his sockpuppets will finally be exiled in the Taco Palace.

02-22-2006, 07:37 AM	#10
quatoria New Romantic Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,964	Honestly, if you're already relegated to the Adrenaline Vault, where is there to fall? Is he going to move to No Mutants Allowed next? Some .jp only hentai forum? Where can he go from here? Oh, right. Octopus Overlords.

02-22-2006, 07:39 AM	#12
stusser New Romantic Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,672	Would be great if avault actually sued derek for libel. Angel is every bit as much of a sonofabitch as Derek, but he probably has more staying power when it comes to litigation. As in, he'd actually follow through and do it. I'd love to see the two of them fight it out. Preferably in a pit filled with snakes egged on by a post-apocalyptic mutant cheerleader squad. Or a knife-fight on rickety catwalks over molten lava, with "icelord" suspended in slowly descending cage to add dramatic tension to the scene. Ahh, good times.

02-22-2006, 08:31 AM	#14
jfletch Social Worker Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,161	That link is actually blocked from my work. Shame. Could anyone give suckers like me a quick summary?

02-22-2006, 09:27 AM	#20
Rob Beschizza Social Worker Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 3,154	Funny stuff from a concurrent thread on the same issue (Starforce) at Avault. I have edited out cruft. Cosmonaut_Roger Tom Chick doesn't like Starforce either. That guy must be an idiot, he doesn't know what he's talking about. And his systems crashing? Pffsshaw! That could have been anything! Right Derek? Derek Smart Yes, in fact, he is an idiot. Just because he is a writer doesn't rank him any higher than the average wanker ... Rubbish. Complete.Utter.Rubbish. Cosmonaut_Roger Derek, every time anyone has posted anything that disagrees with your steadfast opinion on copy protection, your response has been the same. Look back at your posts, and you'll see a trend of "Rubbish" "Conjecture falsehoods" "No evidence to backup claims". Those are not appropriate responses when someone has posted ... (reiterates verbose complaint about Starforce) Derek Smart Shutup! Shutup! Just shut the f*ck up. I'm sick and tired of reading crap from you and your girlfriend. Its the same circular argument and with NO facts about ANYTHING ... You and your pirate friends can continue vying for your few minutes in fame.

02-22-2006, 09:27 AM	#21
GlaziusFalconar Hustle Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 428	...I like the bit where he says that "Ice Lord" is the guy's real name. As opposed to "Michael Tiplitsky". --GF

02-22-2006, 09:30 AM	#23
Alan Dunkin New Romantic Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Richardson, TX Posts: 9,596	Okay maybe I'm just feeling anti-Teplitsky today, but in that exchange it sure seems like childish one-upsmanship, then Teplitsky goes all lawyer on Derek. I'm not sure what the hell Derek was thinking, seemingly pulling the Ice Lord comment out of his ass, but it makes for oddly amusing reading. --- Alan

02-22-2006, 10:05 AM	#27
Shadarr New Romantic Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Victoria, BC Gamertag: Shadarr Posts: 6,657	I love Derek. Why did you guys ban him from here? Sure it's no fun when he threatens to sue you, but you take your turn for the good of the group.

02-22-2006, 10:06 AM	#28
Alan Dunkin New Romantic Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Richardson, TX Posts: 9,596	These days much of the participation involves high-speed distribution schemes rather than the actual cracking, both of course are still needed. --- Alan

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