Fort Hood shootings leave at least seven dead...

[BobJustBob]

[alexlitel]

[BobJustBob]

[Talisker]

[Hanzii]

[McKertis]

I don't really think 13 dead and 30 injured is a laughing matter, no.

Amusing != laughing, apparently you need to update your dictionary.

Hey douche, when somebody has a gun and you don't, it isn't that easy to win.

Really ? No, really ? I would understand that if you hold a number of people at gunpoint that not many would actually risk attacking, but he was (supposedly) shooting everyone in sight. One guy was herding a whole base of armed people and unarmed but still trained people. With a pistol.

Anyway, those dead and wounded were trained killers who were about to go kill some more, so sorry if i dont shed a tear for them.

[Cubit]

Keep it up, John. This list has room to grow!

Originally Posted by John Sansker

Odumbassa administration

Originally Posted by John Sansker

dumbo-crats

Originally Posted by John Sansker

Brady Bunch

Originally Posted by John Sansker

Klownifornia Kunts

Yeah, John is a real class act.

p.s. Thanks for all the Candy pics guys! What a great thread to wake up to. :)

[Hawkeye Fierce]

I love when people think that talking like a kid in middle school will show how serious they are about politics.

[Greg Williams]

Originally Posted by McKertis

Anyway, those dead and wounded were trained killers who were about to go kill some more, so sorry if i dont shed a tear for them.

Did you even listen to the facts? They were in an office, full of unarmed office employees, where they had ZERO access to guns. Where do you get they are all trained killers? The army trains people to fight and shoot, but they are not some massive army of ninja assassins.

[Cubit]

Originally Posted by McKertis

Anyway, those dead and wounded were trained killers who were about to go kill some more, so sorry if i dont shed a tear for them.

I'm not exactly a fan of the US military or institutions of authority, and in many ways I would describe myself as a pacifist, but fuck you.

[Athryn]

Originally Posted by McKertis

Anyway, those dead and wounded were trained killers who were about to go kill some more, so sorry if i dont shed a tear for them.

I'm sorry, but this is one of the most disgusting statements I've ever read on these boards. I may hate the fact that these soldiers have to go fight a war in countries where they shouldn't be, sent there by a president I consider to be a traitor to this country, but this thing shouldn't have happened to them.

Welcome to ignore, dickweed.

[Bill Dungsroman]

Originally Posted by McKertis

Anyway, those dead and wounded were trained killers who were about to go kill some more, so sorry if i dont shed a tear for them.

Wow, being a sociopath is pretty easy, isn't it?

[Pogo]

Originally Posted by McKertis

Anyway, those dead and wounded were trained killers who were about to go kill some more, so sorry if i dont shed a tear for them.

Damn dude. I have a pretty complacent attitude towards death for people that mean harm to citizens or the police, but to throw that complacency towards the armed forces whose only job, regardless of political circumstances, is to lay their lives down for their country... is fucked up and ass backwards. Do you laugh whenever a cop or a security guard gets shot for doing their duty?

Are you from NeoGAF? Be honest.

[Pogo]

Originally Posted by John Sansker

Uhmmm.
Go back to the beginning.
My first post on page 2.

What did I do wrong?
Holy fuck I made fun of "their" president.
"Their" response?
Personal attacks and name calling.

Ok so this is what you said...

Originally Posted by John Sansker

Queue up the gun control bullshit from the Odumbassa administration in....
3.....
2.....

And it never happened, because regardless of how left-leaning (whatever the fuck that means anymore) this forum may seem, there are a lot of progressives here that own guns. You know it's possible to support gun ownership and private gun rights and still want to close loopholes for gun purchasing and see homosexuals get the right to marry, right? Did you know that? I own several guns, don't like local bans on the right to carry, AND I'd like to see universal healthcare, does that blow your fucking mind or what?

[Kalle]

Originally Posted by Pogo

Damn dude. I have a pretty complacent attitude towards death for people that mean harm to citizens or the police, but to throw that complacency towards the armed forces whose only job, regardless of political circumstances, is to lay their lives down for their country... is fucked up and ass backwards. Do you laugh whenever a cop or a security guard gets shot for doing their duty?

Not to defend McKertis blatant glee over this horrifying murder, but the US armed forces are, right now, engaged in missions that has seen them kill thousands of people and in the process destabilized a country to the effect of several hundred thousand additional casualties and millions of refugees. If you're in the US armed forces you are part of that.

Had this guy been shooting these people for the sake of a free Iraq/Afghanistan/whatever then his victims would be legitimate targets.

[Pogo]

Which is why I separated politics from it. Last time I checked you can't just leave the army because you don't like the war that a president and his neocon buddies decided to start.

[Staff Sergeant]

Yup, another one to add to ignore. I wonder if he is aware that career soldiers actually post on these boards?

[Kalle]

Originally Posted by Pogo

Which is why I separated politics from it. Last time I checked you can't just leave the army because you don't like the war that a president and his neocon buddies decided to start.

Regardless of political circumstances the armed forces are fighting a war and that makes people serving in the armed forces, regardless of location, targets in that war. Assuming they were actually targetted because of the war, and not because a psychiatrist snapped and went berserk with a gun.

Either way, if you join an army getting shot at if you go to war is one of the risks you take on.

[Pogo]

Sure, I understand what you're saying, and can't really disagree, but his comment was more a lack of sympathy for civilian families and a blanket condemnation of armed forces everywhere.

[WarrenM]

Sansker has definitely delivered in this thread. The 3 pizzas he ordered for dinner will undoubtedly be next.

[Kael]

Originally Posted by Kalle

Regardless of political circumstances the armed forces are fighting a war and that makes people serving in the armed forces, regardless of location, targets in that war. Assuming they were actually targetted because of the war, and not because a psychiatrist snapped and went berserk with a gun.

Either way, if you join an army getting shot at if you go to war is one of the risks you take on.

No one has a problem knowing soldiers are at risk. The soldiers knew this signing up, we know that as the ones benefiting from their sacrifice.

But there is an immense gap between knowing that a solider risks his life and reveling or being discompassionate to that sacrifice as McKertis was. It doesn't have to be completely black or white. You can disagree with the war but still honor and respect the soldiers that serve in it.

If you dont understand that it is fundamentally wrong for an American to grab a gun and start shooting his fellow soldiers and civilians because he disagrees with a war then I really don't know where to start to convince you otherwise. Suggesting that the soldiers should understand that risk is like suggesting that pretty girls should understand the risk of being raped when it happens.

[Mister Widget]

Originally Posted by Kael

If you dont understand that it is fundamentally wrong for an American to grab a gun and start shooting his fellow soldiers and civilians because he disagrees with a war then I really don't know where to start to convince you otherwise. Suggesting that the soldiers should understand that risk is like suggesting that pretty girls should understand the risk of being raped when it happens.

Well said.

If the shooter was just someone who snapped and went crazy, then the victims are just as innocent the victims in any other mass shooting. In that case, they deserve just as much sympathy as any other victim.

If, on the other hand, the shooter was sane and thought of himself as an enemy combatant, Kalles' point still doesn't apply. Striding into a medical clinic and opening fire on unarmed people who wear the same uniform you do isn't an act of war; it's the act of a cowardly traitor. Getting shot by a traitor while you sit in a medical waiting room should still earn you plenty of sympathy. Only witless sociopaths (or trolls pretending to be witless sociopaths) could find the situation amusing, rather than tragic.

[quatoria]

Originally Posted by BobJustBob

Originally Posted by Bill Dungsroman

Wow, being a sociopath is pretty easy, isn't it?

You might say he was born for it!

[Pogo]

For such a decent sketch of Candy's face, the artist really has no idea how to draw a hand.

[Bahimiron]

[Kalle]

Originally Posted by Kael

If you dont understand that it is fundamentally wrong for an American to grab a gun and start shooting his fellow soldiers and civilians because he disagrees with a war then I really don't know where to start to convince you otherwise.

If he considered himself to be an enemy combatant at the time, or fighting for the freedom of muslims or what have you, then they weren't his fellow soldiers and civilians, they were his enemies.

Originally Posted by Mister Widget

If, on the other hand, the shooter was sane and thought of himself as an enemy combatant, Kalles' point still doesn't apply. Striding into a medical clinic and opening fire on unarmed people who wear the same uniform you do isn't an act of war; it's the act of a cowardly traitor.

US army bases and associated personnel are targets. Just because they happen to be unarmed don't make them any less of a target. Had someone dropped a bomb on the base these people could be just as dead.

Getting shot by a traitor while you sit in a medical waiting room should still earn you plenty of sympathy. Only witless sociopaths (or trolls pretending to be witless sociopaths) could find the situation amusing, rather than tragic.

There is nothing amusing about it, that much is true.

[Kael]

Originally Posted by Kalle

If he considered himself to be an enemy combatant at the time, or fighting for the freedom of muslims or what have you, then they weren't his fellow soldiers and civilians, they were his enemies.

What he considers is irrelevant. These are not relative terms. He was not an enemy combatant, he was a soldier that attacked his fellow troops and civilians of his own country.

This is the same argument that murders use when they target american muslims in "retribution" attacks. They claim that the american muslims are enemies and that they are patriots. Neither side is right when they make these claims.

[Cubit]

Lieberman is an idiot:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1257...s_Most_Popular

[Mister Widget]

Originally Posted by Kalle

US army bases and associated personnel are targets. Just because they happen to be unarmed don't make them any less of a target. Had someone dropped a bomb on the base these people could be just as dead.

I get the distinct impression (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) that you feel labeling the shooter a traitor is somehow unfair to him, that his actions should be judged as though he was an enemy combatant. But he wasn't an enemy combatant. He was a lunatic, or a traitor. You can magically transform yourself into a traitor just by thinking it, but you can't turn yourself into an enemy combatant just by thinking it.

The word "traitor" exists in the English language. It is a real word, and it has real meaning. So do the words "lunatic" and "enemy combatant". You can't just redefine those meanings because you find them inconvenient, or because you don't like the current U.S. wars.

[Greg Williams]

Originally Posted by Kalle

If he considered himself to be an enemy combatant at the time, or fighting for the freedom of muslims or what have you, then they weren't his fellow soldiers and civilians, they were his enemies.

So what you are saying then is EVERYONE who died during the 9/11 attacks (or any terror attack for that matter) should not receive any kind of memory or sympathy because they were nothing more than an enemy...cause from reading this quote that is what I am getting from you.

Might be best to keep quiet from here on out.