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    The T1/DSL gap

    So I've got this problem. My 640/640 DSL line is just too damn slow, but the next step up - a fractional DS1 or whatever - is too stupidly expensive for some apartment I'm renting for only the next year.

    Other than waiting to buy a condo so I can get a leased line, what are my alternatives? Buying two 640 lines and bonding them together is all I can think of; has anyone tried this?

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    Re: The T1/DSL gap

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason McCullough
    So I've got this problem. My 640/640 DSL line is just too damn slow, but the next step up - a fractional DS1 or whatever - is too stupidly expensive for some apartment I'm renting for only the next year.

    Other than waiting to buy a condo so I can get a leased line, what are my alternatives? Buying two 640 lines and bonding them together is all I can think of; has anyone tried this?
    Cable?

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    640/640 is the max your provider offers, or the max you can get based on location? What about asymmetric packages?

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    Exactly what about 640/640 is too slow?

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    Look at other providers; if your line can handle it, there's faster DSL in your future. (I use http://www.speakeasy.net, and love the performance -- 1.5M down, 768k up).

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    I just got 8M/1M ADSL, and I'm pretty happy so far, even though it has been less stable than my previous 512/400. It costs $50/month tough, so it's not exactly cheap. If you live in the right areas you can get 26M/26M VDSL for the same price, but you have to live really close to the station (300m I think).

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    dammit! i pay $60/mo. for 1.5M/.25M

    i think they may haev upped the download speed to 3M without telling me though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik Andersson
    I just got 8M/1M ADSL, and I'm pretty happy so far, even though it has been less stable than my previous 512/400. It costs $50/month tough, so it's not exactly cheap. If you live in the right areas you can get 26M/26M VDSL for the same price, but you have to live really close to the station (300m I think).
    Damm Swedes :)

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    Did some research today; it turns out my problem is that Qwest is full of fuckheads; not only do they only offer up to one phone line's carrying capacity before the leased line switchover, they strongly imply they're the only way to get service.

    The helpful people at Covad, Speakeasy, and DSL.net all offer nice speeds because they don't use Qwest's dipshit switching. Hooray!

    Edit: Speakeasy so rocks. 3000/768 for $160/month ($20 for the first three months), $0 install, full rebate on hardware, and doesn't cost me anything to change addresses when I move. :D

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    If you dont need the upstream bandwidth and wish to save money, the Seattle Earthlink cable modem offering should get you 1500/256 for about $50 a month.

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    Nah, I need it. It's nice to be treated like an adult by a company, though - Qwest actually got suspicious when I was asking for more bandwidth.

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    I had this with Qwest. I called to ask them if I could prepay for a line to get a discount and they told me that it would probably result in a higher charges, for some reason. They just completely don't have it together.

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    I would just like to say that Covad does not rock. That is all.

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    Begone, doppleganger!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik Andersson
    I just got 8M/1M ADSL, and I'm pretty happy so far, even though it has been less stable than my previous 512/400. It costs $50/month tough, so it's not exactly cheap. If you live in the right areas you can get 26M/26M VDSL for the same price, but you have to live really close to the station (300m I think).
    Are you kidding, that is extremely cheap.

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    If 3000/768 costs $160/month in the USA, then I guess it's pretty cheap. But $50 doesn't feel quite as cheap when you can get 26M/26M for the same price...

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    3M/512 with my cable modem, for $40/month. I work for a dsl provider, and I've never heard of someone being peaked at 640/640. The reason the gap is so huge, though, is because DSL isn't reliable worth a damn (standard DSL contracts allow for 72 hours of downtime before work even starts... I've seen DSL lines go down for 2-3 weeks and the customer has no legal recourse) and T1s are extremely reliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik Andersson
    If 3000/768 costs $160/month in the USA, then I guess it's pretty cheap. But $50 doesn't feel quite as cheap when you can get 26M/26M for the same price...
    Sure it does, when you can't even get 26M... :(

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    If you live close enough to certain major cities (I know Philadelphia is one), you can get 100M/100M line from Cogent for $1000/month. Just a fun fact.

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    Dallas is another (we use Cogent for one of our ISPs).

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    It's an incredible deal when you consider that it's about the same cost or slightly more depending on area as a T1 (1.5/1.5), and just as reliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by extarbags
    3M/512 with my cable modem, for $40/month. I work for a dsl provider, and I've never heard of someone being peaked at 640/640. The reason the gap is so huge, though, is because DSL isn't reliable worth a damn (standard DSL contracts allow for 72 hours of downtime before work even starts... I've seen DSL lines go down for 2-3 weeks and the customer has no legal recourse) and T1s are extremely reliable.
    Never had a problem with DSL in a year and a half.

    Qwest for some reason or another limits the entire area I live in to 640.

    I'd get a cable modem, but I want my goddamn static ip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason McCullough
    Never had a problem with DSL in a year and a half.
    You're lucky. Some people have no problems, some people have nothing but.

    Qwest for some reason or another limits the entire area I live in to 640.
    That's retarded.

    I'd get a cable modem, but I want my goddamn static ip.
    How much are you paying for DSL now? I don't know about providers in your area, but my cable company offers a business service that gives you a static for $80, up from $40. It's also higher bandwidth, IIRC.

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    We (at home) are forced into using SBC DSL, which thankfully is at 1.5/128k (can pay more for 256k or more up) - because of their recent promotions it's at a mere $30 or so per month, which is nice.

    Can't get any other DSL though, SBC has blocked everyone out pretty much, except for iDSL. Yeah right, like I want ISDN for three times the price.

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    I'm paying about $100 (ISP + line provider) for 640/640 right now; I have no idea why they limit the entire Capital Hill area in Seattle to that, but they do.

    I was previously paying around $200 a month for 1000/1000. Qwest is full of teh poop

    Comcast, the local cable provider, refuses entirely to offer any sort of agreement where you can run a server. Those fuckers with their market segmentation.

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    I just signed up with Speakeasy myself for the 1.5/768 line for $89 a month. So Jason what exactly do you need that 3MB download speed for? ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaroc
    I just signed up with Speakeasy myself for the 1.5/768 line for $89 a month. So Jason what exactly do you need that 3MB download speed for? ;)

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    "Utilities" and "applications."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DennyA
    McCullough makes extra cash on the side running www.HotNakedSupremeCmdr.com ....
    Has me actually laughing despite the fact Jason is increasing his downstream bandwidth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason McCullough
    Quote Originally Posted by Xaroc
    I just signed up with Speakeasy myself for the 1.5/768 line for $89 a month. So Jason what exactly do you need that 3MB download speed for? ;)

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    I think that RIAA automatically sends a SWAT team to your house for having that much bandwidth.

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