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    James Patterson, with a bullet. Man...

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    Quote Originally Posted by malkav11 View Post
    Yeah, Gaiman lives in the Twin Cities and I believe is good friends with Greg Ketter (not sure if that's the right spelling), who runs Dreamhaven. Certainly they're the best source of signed Gaiman works (he comes by and signs stock for them), and he's done quite a few readings there, a couple of which I have been lucky enough to attend. I also once happened to drop in, quite unplanned, while Lois McMaster Bujold was reading from the then upcoming Cryoburn. Pretty cool. Unfortunately, retail bookselling is a dying market so I wouldn't expect Dreamhaven to be around too many more years.
    They've definitely shrunk down, moving to a smaller property, laying off staff, and keeping extremely irregular business hours.

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    Yep. That said, when major bookstore chains muscled most of the indies out of business and then Amazon/online/ebooks muscled most of the chains out of business, it's something of a feat that Dreamhaven is still open at all even in its limited way.

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    Discovered that I still had the free eBook version of Ventus on my Kobo, had downloaded it months ago but never got around to reading it. So after finishing up Iron Sunrise, I took up Ventus. I knew Schroeder wrote good stuff from the Candesce novels, and Ventus is just as good. Very interesting worldbuilding. At first it looks kind of medieval-fantasy-ish, but before long the technology becomes pretty obvious. Entertaining read.

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    Not my kind of stuff, but this somewhat lured me to buy HOUNDED by Kevin Hearne, the first in the Iron Druid series.

    Hope it's good, but I'll have to groan at the cover every time I pick it up.

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    The Iron Druid books are lots of fun.

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    Yea, I've read 3 of the Iron Druid books. Very "Dresden Files" humor and storylines.
    The 4th book is on my e-book want list.

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    I just finished up the 2nd Mistborn book by Brandon Sanderson. On the whole I would say I was basically bored. The first 2/3 of the book consists of main characters talking about what they are going to do after the events of the first book. It is only in the last 1/3 to 1/4 of the book that they actually DO anything. After reading deeper into the reviews, this appears to be a common complaint.

    I took a look at the comments about the last book in the series (there is a 4th that I just might skip to- 100 years after the trilogy where the society enters a industrial age) and decided to wait a bit.

    So in my infinite wisdom, the kind that happens on a Kindle at 11PM on Sunday night, where you just want to read for 10 more minutes and you have to buy a book now, I picked up 11/22/63 by Stephen King and at just under 900 pages it is practically a short story for him. I am a fan and I actually enjoyed The Dome, so I have pretty high hopes for it.

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    Just read the Chronicles of Amber books 1-9. I like a lot of Zelazny's stuff, but I just find it lazy and unimaginative when authors just throw in elements of real world mythology (the tree and the crow) or use other people's characters (lewis carroll) especially in ways that don't seem to add much. Or go from something I can immerse myself in, to something that seems arbitrary and unbelievable. Like in these novels there is the stuff I like set on earth, then the hodge-podge of almost nonsensical stuff in shadow and Amber and what-not. At this point I'm just trudging through book 10 in order to get the series over and done with finally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andon View Post
    Yea, I've read 3 of the Iron Druid books. Very "Dresden Files" humor and storylines.
    The 4th book is on my e-book want list.
    I'm glad someone posted something about this series, they keep popping up on my Goodreads suggested reading, but like the guy above post, the cover kept me away, it looks like a typical by the numbers romance novel cover.

    After what happened to the Anita Blake series, I have been staying far away from most urban fantasy novels.

    I'll have to give this series a try.

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    Finished up Emissaries from the Dead by Adam-Troy Castro last night. I hadn't actually intended to, thought I'd spend a few hours last night on something else, but I had a hard time putting it down. Very enjoyable read. Here's what I said about it on Goodreads.

    I've read some short stories from Castro in Analog (the magazine) so I knew that I liked his writing style. I even knew a little of the Andrea Cort backstory. I wasn't sure how well the mystery-in-the-future style would translate to a full novel, but I needn't have worried. Emissaries From The Dead is just as engrossing as the shorter stories. I particularly liked how the author explores the psychology of the characters, and not only the human ones.

    Only two minor complaints: I felt that the cylinked duo needed some more backstory (perhaps that's in another book). And I felt that the identity of the Heckler was telegraphed, to the point that I knew who it would be fairly early on, around the time Andrea first talks to the AIs. There's still plenty more to the ending that surprised me, but that particular point seemed too easy to guess.

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    Now reading Stacy Schiff's 'Cleopatra: A Life.' Absorbing stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    Just read the Chronicles of Amber books 1-9. I like a lot of Zelazny's stuff, but I just find it lazy and unimaginative when authors just throw in elements of real world mythology (the tree and the crow) or use other people's characters (lewis carroll) especially in ways that don't seem to add much. Or go from something I can immerse myself in, to something that seems arbitrary and unbelievable. Like in these novels there is the stuff I like set on earth, then the hodge-podge of almost nonsensical stuff in shadow and Amber and what-not. At this point I'm just trudging through book 10 in order to get the series over and done with finally.
    Heresy!

    (Now I need to re-read the CoA from the beginning to see if it holds up to the books I first read when I was 15 or so...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    Just read the Chronicles of Amber books 1-9. I like a lot of Zelazny's stuff, but I just find it lazy and unimaginative when authors just throw in elements of real world mythology (the tree and the crow) or use other people's characters (lewis carroll) especially in ways that don't seem to add much. Or go from something I can immerse myself in, to something that seems arbitrary and unbelievable. Like in these novels there is the stuff I like set on earth, then the hodge-podge of almost nonsensical stuff in shadow and Amber and what-not. At this point I'm just trudging through book 10 in order to get the series over and done with finally.
    But 99.99% of all fantasy has elements of real world mythology, if it's not based completely and wholly on real world mythology. The bulk of Zelazny's writing is about adapting some mythology and applying it in an unusual way. It's really hard to come up with fantasy that isn't mythological or using transplanted mythological elements one way or another.

    Sadly I can't argue you into liking the Amber series, but your reasoning seems a bit odd. The whole idea of Amber is that our world's mythology is based on variations on people, places, and events from Amber and other shadows, so it's not reasonable for Zelazny to use that world concept *without* tossing all kinds of references around.

    Finally, I must concede that though it has some cool stuff and is still quite enjoyable for me to read, that the second Amber series is not Zelazny's best work. I would have been happy for the series to end with the original 5. All the new characters in the second series are a big step down from their parents and predecessors in terms of heroism and mythic stature. This was no doubt intentional, but I don't think it works nearly as well in the setting. Moreover, Merlin is just a douchebag for most of the series; he takes too long to grow up, and Luke isn't much better.

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    I always liked the Amber series except for the drawn out shadow walks.....the descriptions were too long as I recall.


    There was an attempt to start a third series about Corwin's dad (Oberon):

    The Dawn of Amber series by John Gregory Betancourt

    The last book was never published (Wikipedia states the publisher went bankrupt)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeeWhiz View Post
    I always liked the Amber series except for the drawn out shadow walks.....the descriptions were too long as I recall.


    There was an attempt to start a third series about Corwin's dad (Oberon):

    The Dawn of Amber series by John Gregory Betancourt

    The last book was never published (Wikipedia states the publisher went bankrupt)
    Yeah...I have no opinion on Betancourt as an author in his own right, but Zelazny was not the sort of writer that anyone is going to be able to successfully emulate, and I want no part of any attempts to do so.

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    I finished up Mayflower (audiobook), which had been sitting in my "really ought to listen to" bin for a while. Not having been too familiar with the Plymouth colony beyond what I learned in 4th grade, I found it to be very interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malkav11 View Post
    Yeah...I have no opinion on Betancourt as an author in his own right, but Zelazny was not the sort of writer that anyone is going to be able to successfully emulate, and I want no part of any attempts to do so.
    I did read the first two books; they're about as good as you could possibly expect them to be, which isn't very good at all. Not Betancourt's fault: usually, this kind of thing turns out to be utterly horrible, but in this case it was merely mediocre and disappointing, but with a few actually sniffs of Amber drifting through.

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    After reading John Scalzi's Redshirts a while back and liking it, I read his Old Man's War series (The Ghost Brigades and The Last Colony fill out the trilogy). Good, snappy Sci-fi, lots of aliens, lots of shooting, lots of big ideas. I haven't read the genre much since high school, and this was a fun reminder of what I've always liked about it.

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    On a bit of a reading binge on account of summer vacation and racing to complete my 52 books in 2012 resolution. I finished earlier in the week The Primal Blueprint, which is a book about the paleo/primal eating lifestyle (they don't like it when you call it a diet). I'm following the primal eating philosophy at the moment (eliminate sugars and grains, eat meat, vegetables, eggs, fish, poultry, nuts, seeds and fruits, and limited dairy), and it's left me feeling more energetic and well. The book can probably be condensed a lot, but it elucidates the philosophy behind the primal diet quite well. I'll keep following it and see how it goes.

    The other book I'm reading which is blowing me away is A Fine Balance by Rohinton Mistry. I'm in the last 100 pages or so of the novel, reading it for a book club. It's slow but not meandering, sweeping in its narrative of the injustices and love in 1970s India, very Dickens-esque in its attention to detail and descriptions of the filth and grime, the moments of transcendence, and banal evil the characters encounter every day.

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    Started Hearne's Hounded after seeing praise for it in this thread, and after two chapters I think I may like it better than the Dresden books which I read earlier this summer. I loved the Dresden books for the most part but they didn't really mature or improve as the series progressed, and all the characters had the same voice and personality, it felt like at times. It's too early to judge but Hounded, so far, feels a little more sophisticated.
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    Just finished the new Faye Kellerman pb Gun Games.

    I like this series, but she has introduced a new 15 year old character and his love scenes smack of child porn.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miramon View Post
    I must concede that though it has some cool stuff and is still quite enjoyable for me to read, that the second Amber series is not Zelazny's best work.
    I think Zelazny was on record as having written the second Amber series mainly for the paychecks, which were reliably good from the get-go on account of the popularity of the first series. I enjoyed some of the characters and the details in the Merlin books – the spell-casting, especially – but overall it seems to me he invested more imagination and care in Corwin's character and story. I still get a kick out of Nine Princes in Amber, even if the first hundred pages are really just Zelazny playing around with writing something by Raymond Chandler.

    Just finished Matter, by Iain M. Banks. Lengthy and somewhat slow, with some seemingly irrelevant details and digressions that I think might be genuinely irrelevant in this case, and then an explosive hurry-up finish that's very much more the Banks I remember. I wonder sometimes if he's getting tired of the Culture setting? Still, some impressive set-pieces, and the Shellworlds, with their different explanations and uses (interconnected defensive (?) installations, habitats, battlefields, hideyholes for an ancient and senile alien race) are all kinds of provocative and interesting, though it's not clear to me if Banks has anything in particular in mind for them other than "cool setting." I'm not sure what to make of the mentor/patron parallels with David Brin's Uplift universe, either, but I don't necessarily disapprove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CourteousD View Post
    I still get a kick out of Nine Princes in Amber, even if the first hundred pages are really just Zelazny playing around with writing something by Raymond Chandler.
    Yah, that part is fun, though of course Corwin being Corwin makes it a bit unfair on the sleazy doctors. I recall Marlowe getting drugged at least once by a bad doctor, but I think the initial scene is more directly lifted from one of Ross Thomas's Lew Archer novels, though I don't remember which one offhand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barstein View Post
    Started Hearne's Hounded after seeing praise for it in this thread, and after two chapters I think I may like it better than the Dresden books which I read earlier this summer. I loved the Dresden books for the most part but they didn't really mature or improve as the series progressed, and all the characters had the same voice and personality, it felt like at times. It's too early to judge but Hounded, so far, feels a little more sophisticated.
    Huh, one of the things that I like about the Dresden books is that there is progression, although I can see your point re: character progression vs. metaplot progression, which it has in spades. Off to pick up Hounded . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miramon View Post
    Yah, that part is fun, though of course Corwin being Corwin makes it a bit unfair on the sleazy doctors. I recall Marlowe getting drugged at least once by a bad doctor, but I think the initial scene is more directly lifted from one of Ross Thomas's Lew Archer novels, though I don't remember which one offhand.
    Ross McDonald.

    Although Ross Thomas was great fun too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Heilbrunn View Post
    Ross McDonald.

    Although Ross Thomas was great fun too!
    Heh, right. Though there is an a in Millar's pseudonym.

    Between Ross Thomas, Ross Macdonald, and John D. MacDonald, you have some of my favorite 20th century crime/adventure novelists, but they do have this thing going on with their names....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miramon View Post
    Yah, that part is fun, though of course Corwin being Corwin makes it a bit unfair on the sleazy doctors.
    One of the things I liked about the amnesia kick-off is Corwin gradually realizing that he's a freakin' hero, and, well, sure, that feels right.

    I recall Marlowe getting drugged at least once by a bad doctor, but I think the initial scene is more directly lifted from one of Ross Thomas's Lew Archer novels, though I don't remember which one offhand.
    I imagine there are a fair number of variations on the theme, but the one I was thinking of is Farewell, My Lovely, starting about chapter 25.

    Man, now that it comes to it, it's been a while since I've read any Chandler -- or Hammett, for that matter. Good thread, this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miramon View Post
    Heh, right. Though there is an a in Millar's pseudonym.

    Between Ross Thomas, Ross Macdonald, and John D. MacDonald, you have some of my favorite 20th century crime/adventure novelists, but they do have this thing going on with their names....
    Travis McGee rocked!

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    I'm a big fan of Ross Macdonald but haven't read the other Ross or MacDonald yet. Thanks for the tip.

    Amazon has a bunch of Kindle edition books discounted today ($1.99). I just picked up Kitchen Confidential but won't be able to get to it for a while.

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