Originally Posted by madkevin
Oh noes - quick, watch Lawrence of Arabia right now, because next year it will suck!
Oh noes - quick, watch Lawrence of Arabia right now, because next year it will suck!
When StGabe goes full stupid, he really puts it all in.
Haha, I was just thinking of that.
He pulled the same nonsense a while ago with TV, where he claimed that only shows from the past ten years were worth watching or something. Ah, here we go. That was the post where he claimed Reaper was one of the top 20 television shows of all time. Eat it, M*A*S*H!
Rereading that thread, he also claims Donnie Darko is a better movie than Citizen Kane or The Big Sleep. StGabe, you so crazy!
Oh hey, I liked Reaper. Maybe not top 20 (okay, maybe not even top 200). MASH I got sick of the holier than thou Hawkeye (it improved when they cycled in better characters and detuned Hawkeye to some degree).
Well that makes the magazine more fun.
They've got a breakdown, from the voting, of the top 10 films per decade as well as some limited by-nation, by-genre and by-gender stuff, along with the usual total-votes-per-director and lots of other bits and pieces.
There were two children's films in the top 10 since 2000, anyone want to guess what they were? One might be a surprise, one won't.
Also the top film for post-2000 was intruiging (In the Mood for Love, which I should re-watch) and The Death of Mr Lazarescu made it into the top 10 which pleases me greatly as it's a wonderful black comedy.
What were the children's films?
I don't consider either Citizen Kane or Vertigo to be the greatest movies ever. Nor do I consider Orson Welles or Alfred Hitchcock to be the greatest directors. But that really doesn't matter does it?
Is it a consensus thing? Or is is personal preference? Is there really a greatest movie? If you think so then go further. What is the greatest painting ever? What is the greatest piece of music ever?
For me:
Kubrick: 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Van Gogh: Starry Night.
Bach: Toccata and Fugue in d Minor.
Prove me wrong.
Last edited by RichVR; 08-06-2012 at 05:51 PM.
Do I have to bother to prove you wrong if you can't be bothered to spell it correctly?
Sorry. Couldn't resist.
Of course there's no such thing as greatest, at least not outside of the concept of favorite. Consensus or not, there is no greatest movie any more than there's a greatest ice cream flavor. Bleh. The very fact that they chose to scramble their list--and good on them for doing so, whatever the result--proves that. It's all subjective, and that's fine. That said, I love lists and debates like this. So long as we all understand that greatest/best = favorite, and that carries no more weight than how I felt about Ben & Jerry's New York Super Fudge Chunk a few years ago as opposed to how I feel about my local grocery store brand of English Toffee ice cream today.
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p.79, new column by Brad Stevens- "What's the difference between 'best' and 'favourite'?".
As no-one wants to guess, both were in 10th, along with more films than you would expect. They were Spirited Away (no surprise) and Wall-E.
If we're going to talk about films for children, I would probably put I Wish up there too.
WALL-E?!?! Ugh.
A very difficult question. For example, my favorite book is Lord of the Rings, but I wouldn't even think for a moment to advance it as the best book ever. Further, there's a certain prejudice - film likes to be taken seriously, and thus shies away from anything faintly smelling of "entertainment" rather than "art". So, comedies? I didn't take a look at the entire list, but how far down the list before one appears? For me, when all the elements come together and tell a fascinating tale that you can palpably point to and say that it did it better than another film trying to do the same kind of thing. The acting works, the directions works, the story works, the craftsmanship works. I'm not sure there's a best so much a set of movies that are exemplary. Even within Hitchcock, there's debate as to which movie is his best - Vertigo, Psycho, Rear Window, and others.
Growing up during the cold war, there's this movie I saw as a kid that has impacted me tremendously and even though I have last seen it maybe 25 years ago, I still sometimes think about it and become quiet and sad. But I rarely see this movie get recognition or mention anymore, even though it is sadly becoming relevant again. I'm talking about "The day after".
Mostly because it was a TV movie. Contrasted against Reaganism, it had it's points. Duck and cover!
Actually, I was expecting Finding Nemo, not Spirited Away.
I am a men of standards. I use a way to calculate movie quality: how much times I can watch a movie and it still be interesting.
With a system like this, one of the 5 better movies ever are "Groundhog Day".
Wall-E is terrible now? Sorry. I haven't kept up with internet backlash trends.
It's not terrible, it's just one of my least favorite Pixar films.
It's arguably the most uneven of Pixar's golden age films, but it's still a great movie.
Man, Pixar have declined far enough to have had a Golden Age?
That movie literally scarred me for life. I grew up in the suburbs of Kansas City. Seeing the city a smoking ruin gave me nightmares. If I heard a plane overhead while trying to fall asleep I'd sit upright, terrified that it was the end. I tried watching it again last year and had to turn it off.
Still, this list is the "best" not "the movies that messed you up the most." I like Citizen Kane but Vertigo has always been my favorite Hitchcock film.
Yeah. I think the general feeling is that the first half of Wall-E is great, but the second half is only ok.
To me, the second half is pretty good - the only problem with it is the first 20 minutes is one of the finest examples of film-making ever, so the rest doesn't quite measure up. Greatest film? No. But any student of film should really watch that extended opening sequence.
I think the first speechless part is my favorite because it's kind of fascinating. The rest of the film is just dull and plodding in comparison, and I find myself honestly bored.
You are of course, correct sir. I fixed it, not to be sneaky, but because my mild OCD insisted. But I take full responsibility. My hubris was my undoing.
It's a good movie, but I consider Godfather (both of them) and Cuckoo's Nest far superior. Also, 12 Angry Men. Also, Sunset Boulevard. Also... Well.
It's a great piece of entertainment by a master - with great performances. But it's not "profound" in the way I think the best movie of all time should be. Naturally, the entire concept of picking just one is stupid and based on the obsession for measuring everything - even when it can't really be. But I definitely think there are better examples.
So I just watched Vertigo tonight for the first time, and while I enjoyed it.
I am no movie buff though , so if people who rate movies for a living say one is better than the other, I guess they are right.
But , I still prefer Citizen Kane. Maybe because I prefer Orson Wells over Jimmy Stewart.
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