Reply With QuoteORLY.Originally Posted by WarrenM
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Well, there's also a new file system that supposedly offers better data integrity and self-checking (i.e., no chkdsks required.) Supposedly backward compatible at the API level, but I haven't done much digging into it yet.
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Firstly, I have. Second, I don't give bad UI's a pass anywhere. Third, I'm hardly the only one here with this view.
Given, you know, I'm one of the people who will say if a University adopts it I have an actual stake in this beyond my own PC. Currently, I'm going to have to recommend strongly against...
So, as I suspected, you must also stand on street corners yelling your complaints at passing cars. Hey, a Microsoft employee might be driving by - COVER YOUR BASES!
It's hard to discount the speed you get from just having a new install but it definitely boots faster on my now ancient thinkpad x61t laptop. It also just feels considerably faster. I haven't done much with it yet, but it certainly has my attention with the boot and more importantly, wake from sleep speed.
What are they throwing out with backwards compatibility that they didn't already in 7?
The new interface right now just annoys the crap out of me but I am not going to give up on it yet. I am certainly not entertaining any ideas about rolling this out at work though.
You're doing the same thing with your support, though. So...
Nah, I said I'm skipping Windows 8 so I'm out. I'm free to poke the crazies.
So will hardware manufacturers like Dell and HP have the option of installing Win 7 on new machines instead of Win 8? I know for tablet devices they'll go for Win 8 but I could see a case for some consumers preferring Win 7.
I suspect that OEM Win 7 sales will be extended for a pretty long time, akin to XP during the Vista years. At least if they want to sell computers to business clients.
Yep, I expect win7 will be available for a very long time.
I defended Vista and still do. Particularly post-SP1 Vista was a fine OS, especially since it was the first Windows with practically usable x64 support (XP64 was a sick joke).
But even I think the forced-Metro-ization of Windows 8 is a huge misstep.
Yep. Vista SP2 was fine. I definitely prefer the memory management and UI improvements in Win 7, but no complaints with Vista. It got a bad rap due to higher sys reqs, and initial terrible driver support, but by the time SP2 was approaching it was the best Win OS to date.
To be fair i should clarify my statements with the disclaimer that even though the customer preview isn't very good, it is only a customer preview and thus subject to change before official release. It also could be due to the drive situation any OS goes through on (pre)release.
Maybe windows 8 didn't like my hardware and/or i needed special windows 8 drivers for something, but for me the classic windows UI had significantly worse performance than in windows 7. The tablet/metro UI was indeed snappy, but anyone who uses their computer for anything remotely serious is going to spend 90% of their time in the classic view and you can't even go to the start menu in classic without going back to tablet mode.
Windows 8 apps are cool, but not good enough to justify the hit the classic UI took.
There are basically two ways I see windows 8 being adopted to any decent degree:
- Microsoft makes SIGNIFICANT improvements to the classic UI so it is at least as good as windows 7, to such a degree that if you use classic ui, you can't tell the difference between windows 7 and windows 8.
- Microsoft pays developers to make so many FREE apps for customers that they don't even miss the classic UI. Ie microsoft bribes us.
I don't have a tablet, i have a desktop. Why should i suffer through a mediocre desktop OS because it is also a mediocre tablet OS? This is not an advantage to me... I don't understand why someone at Microsoft didn't say something. Yes, they could save money if they developed one OS for two different systems, but it isn't exactly going to be a net positive to your customers on either system.
Also, for what it was worth, i liked Vista quite a bit and felt most of the outrage about it was due to the hardcore "give me windows 95 or give me death" crowd.
On an unrelated note, when installing windows 8, i did the whole USB windows disk thing and it was very cool. I will surely be doing that the next time i end up reinstalling WINDOWS 7
Other than the start button being missing, it's this way already. It looks identical to Windows 7, except with more features (Better explorer windows, far better control of file associations, etc). In fact, if you get a Win 8 system and install Chrome, your favorite IM client, and some games, you probably won't even see Metro very often, unless you are in the habit if going to the Start Menu a lot rather than pinning stuff to your taskbar.
What is that? Why is it cool. I've been seeing a lot of stuff about using a USB stick to install/upgrade, but I have yet to try it.
it makes no sense for people to scramble to get in early (general consumers at least) merely for the "newness" of 8 when its hardware support is not as good as 7s and its software support won't be as complete yet for the next little while.
i predict there will be a robust demand for "windows 7 downgrades" on new systems going forward like how xp was available to the poorly-received windows vista.
Sorry if Michael Mace's excellent write-up was linked earlier in-thread: http://mobileopportunity.blogspot.co...windows-8.html
He's right, afaik. And as a thought, I don't see how the HELL they expect this to pass anti-trust scrutiny.
They got hammered for the browser, and now they want to do it with a dozen+ apps?
Apple includes a large suite of apps with their OS too. What's the difference?
95% market share?
Yes, that is indeed Apple's tablet market share. ;-)
Yes, and there's an investigation started in the EU about that too.
Microsoft has some tool to convert an ISO to a usb install disk, so instead of booting from your windows 7 dvd to start the install, you boot from your usb stick to start the install.
The advantage is it installs in a fraction of the time. I suppose it isn't a world changing thing, but it saves you a lot of time if/when you end up (re)installing your OS.
That is cool. Does the USB stick need to be special in any way?
I guess you just mount/burn ISOs, but I remember you had to create the DVD a special way to get it to be bootable or some nonsense. Not a big deal, but just like one more thing you had to do/have to get ready to install, so I might have to give this a try.
Nope. You want it to be at least 4GB. Just download the install ISO, (or create an ISO from physical media), download the USB tool and set your PC to boot off the USB drive.
The official ISO's are linked from here, if you don't have one (*pokes various PC makers*);
http://www.mydigitallife.info/offici...digital-river/
The official USB tool can be a bit slow, but it's so worth it to avoid the hassle of manually setting it up.
Oh, and I believe Windows 8 needs a 8GB USB stick not 4...
The ISO's are all under 3.5GB. I just installed Win 8 64bit off of a 4GB USB drive.
Just installed this one over the original preview and while I can see IT departments having a fit at the retraining they'll have to give freaked out non-techie users, all my worries for my own usage are allayed. Metro can be totally treated like an updated full-screen Start menu. Win 8 doesn't alter my usage at all.
(And as far as IT departments go, hell, my wife works for one of the biggest insurance companies in the nation and they're on XP. So many IT departments are still validating Vista to see if it's ready to deploy at this point...)
No, they're skipping it -- XP to Win7 is their upgrade path. And personally, I suspect Win8 will be skipped by corporate IT for that reason alone: It's too soon, and they're not going to want to do a major OS upgrade again so quickly. If they're still in the middle of, or just finished, the Win7 migration, they're going to wait 5+ years before they even consider it again.
It turns... .NET developers are becoming addicts to the open source way to do things (share good libraries, community wide efforts, hacking, scientific approach to problems, *nix as another tool in the toolshet, cooperation )
The thing is... this new WinRT important element in Windows 8 don't have enough open source in it for the .NET guys to start being productive.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...urce-ecosystem
I am open source dev, so this thing amuse me. The windows guys needing open source, Ha, what a twist :D
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