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  • Very very good singer, might make the HOF one day

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Thread: 20 years from now, how do you think people will think of Adele?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blips View Post
    I love music, I just don't listen to the sort of artists / bands that win Grammys. I think an exception to that, is that Trent Reznor has won a Grammy.

    Yeah, that's fine. But the point is "Who the hell is Adele" comes off like she's some obscure nobody that a typical person wouldn't have heard of. She's been in the news for being a pop start who doesn't use autotune and wear weird clothes. She's been in the news because Karl Lagerfeld called her fat. She's been in the news because she's had several big hits and won a bunch of awards.

    "I just don't listen to the sort of artists who win Grammys", no offense, comes off as "I don't even own a TV" hipster douchebaggery.

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    "20 years from now, she'll be REALLY fat"

    - Karl Lagerfeld

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuzz View Post
    I just am not into that kind of music. Female crooners, just like male crooners, don't interest me. I like guitars, lead guitar. If Adele could play a mean lead guitar I would like her. :)
    This, then is for you.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ7vyFnLvjw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugin View Post
    "I just don't listen to the sort of artists who win Grammys", no offense, comes off as "I don't even own a TV" hipster douchebaggery.
    Hah yeah I knew that post was going to drag me into some sort of hipster-zone. And I totally hate hipsters, I swear!

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    I think she's an amazing singer, and that 21 will be regarded as a great album for years to come, but I suspect this was a one-time phenomenon for her, that her next album won't be received as well, and her career will follow a similar arc as Norah Jones, where she's still respected and continues to put out solo albums but never achieves this level of success again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sluggo View Post
    I think she's an amazing singer, and that 21 will be regarded as a great album for years to come, but I suspect this was a one-time phenomenon for her, that her next album won't be received as well, and her career will follow a similar arc as Norah Jones, where she's still respected and continues to put out solo albums but never achieves this level of success again.

    Maybe. On the other hand, Norah Jones was boring. Adele's songs have actual hooks and things.

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    I tried ...listened to a few you tube vids...she is not that good. Listening to her made me want to stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yamo yamo View Post
    I tried ...listened to a few you tube vids...she is not that good. Listening to her made me want to stop.
    Not that good? Seriously? You might not like her style of music but to say that she is not a good singer puts you in tone deaf territory.

    Check out this performance at the Brits last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuzz View Post
    I just am not into that kind of music. Female crooners, just like male crooners, don't interest me. I like guitars, lead guitar. If Adele could play a mean lead guitar I would like her. :)

    You could always have both:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lan-UQfN0zs

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    I'm not really into her style of music and I'm not her target audience, but I think she's got a strong voice and some great songs. Having never heard her speak, I can't say much about her personality. But, from based on remote-empathy - she's very honest with her music - and that's infinitely more interesting to me than the commercial approach.

    I loathe this obsession with individuals that no one partaking in the discussion has ever met, though, but that's a topic for another discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juste View Post
    Not that good? Seriously? You might not like her style of music but to say that she is not a good singer puts you in tone deaf territory.

    Check out this performance at the Brits last year.

    Not a good singing voice. Imagine that song done by someone who can sing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sluggo View Post
    I think she's an amazing singer, and that 21 will be regarded as a great album for years to come, but I suspect this was a one-time phenomenon for her, that her next album won't be received as well, and her career will follow a similar arc as Norah Jones, where she's still respected and continues to put out solo albums but never achieves this level of success again.
    In that case, I foresee a guest spot on Herbie Hancock's inevitable Simon & Garfunkel tribute album in her future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yamo yamo View Post
    Not a good singing voice. Imagine that song done by someone who can sing...
    If you truly don't think that's a good singing voice, I think it can safely be said you are out of your fucking mind.

    I can see people not liking her voice. My 16-year-old granddaughter, who likes that kind of music in general, doesn't like Adele's voice. But she recognizes it's a good voice, it's just not her cup of tea. That is a matter of personal preference. To say it's not a good voice is insanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugin View Post
    If you pretty much don't pay attention to music, music polls may not be for you in the first place. I mean, she's won 8 Grammys so far.
    I'm in the who the hell is Adele column. I also don't have a lot of respect for the Grammys, which has had a penchant for bland and innocuous pop stars (I fully understood the Stones laughing and giggling disrespectfully while being presented with their first decades belatedly). Which is not to say that's the case now, because I simply don't pay much attention to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corsair View Post
    I'm in the who the hell is Adele column. I also don't have a lot of respect for the Grammys, which has had a penchant for bland and innocuous pop stars (I fully understood the Stones laughing and giggling disrespectfully while being presented with their first decades belatedly). Which is not to say that's the case now, because I simply don't pay much attention to them.
    But respect for the Grammys is on the artistic integrity axis, not the "who is or isn't a notable/famous" person axis.

    You can dislike Grammy winners or be contemptuous of Grammy winners or find Grammy winners uninteresting musically, but in terms of "Who the hell is so and so", it's hard to call Grammy-winning type artists obscure. I feel like, at this point, if you really don't know who Adele is, you're going out of your way not to pay attention to the world around you.

    This just gets back to my general irritation with people who seem proud of being ignorant of popular culture, which is not the same as being uncritical of popular culture or being required to love popular culture.

    "I don't like Justin Bieber" is a perfectly reasonable stance. "I don't know who Justin Beiber is" just makes people come off like jaded hipster assholes. As I said before, the whole "I don't even own a TV." type.

    I think this especially annoying in the case of Adele, since one of the main knocks against mainstream pop is that the people are chosen for looks or dancing ability over any actual ability to sing, and then run around in weird costumes or laser light shows or CGI videos or whatever and a ton of autotune. Whereas Adele is a chubby woman who doesn't dance around, doesn't use autotune, doesn't wear art projects for clothing, and doesn't go nuts with melisma. She just stands there and sings, well. She's everything people claim they want/miss in good quality pop music, and any mainstream success she gets should be seen as a good sign.

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    I haven't heard much of hers, basically just her hits, but I get the impression she has a good voice for the material she's currently doing. I don't see a lot of potential there for her to branch out, therefore I think long term her prospects are for a small-ish core fanbase but that the mainstream will get bored of her and move on. Norah Jones comes to mind in this regard, Come Away with Me was pretty much all anyone needs from her.

    edit: Just read the thread, the Norah Jones comparison has already been made, d'oh!
    Last edited by gameoverman; 02-15-2012 at 11:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugin View Post
    This just gets back to my general irritation with people who seem proud of being ignorant of popular culture, which is not the same as being uncritical of popular culture or being required to love popular culture.
    Couldn't agree more. Whether one loves or hates someone in popular culture, those who are willfully un-curious--and proud of that fact to the point of trumpeting it--strike me as being dullards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugin View Post
    I feel like, at this point, if you really don't know who Adele is, you're going out of your way not to pay attention to the world around you.
    My personal embarrassing story is that I really like Adele's stuff, but I only listen to pop music while my daughter is in the car. Why is that embarrassing? Well, the only thing I knew about Adele was that she was British, and I assumed she was the same person who did the song "American Boy" with Kayne West a few years back (that's actually "Estelle," another UK singer with only one name). So I was at a party the other month and we were having a conversation about female black vocalists with powerful voices and... well, my fondness for the banjo already put me in the lower tiers of musical "street cred" so I really had little to lose, I guess. The shame still burns, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tin Wisdom View Post
    My personal embarrassing story is that I really like Adele's stuff, but I only listen to pop music while my daughter is in the car. Why is that embarrassing? Well, the only thing I knew about Adele was that she was British, and I assumed she was the same person who did the song "American Boy" with Kayne West a few years back (that's actually "Estelle," another UK singer with only one name). So I was at a party the other month and we were having a conversation about female black vocalists with powerful voices and... well, my fondness for the banjo already put me in the lower tiers of musical "street cred" so I really had little to lose, I guess. The shame still burns, though.
    Aw, early on when I'd first heard of Adele, I totally thought people were talking about Estelle. Feel no shame!

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    Quote Originally Posted by triggercut View Post
    Couldn't agree more. Whether one loves or hates someone in popular culture, those who are willfully un-curious--and proud of that fact to the point of trumpeting it--strike me as being dullards.
    That's a little uncharitable, innit? I've just learned over my years that the compromises one usually has to make in art to become mass-marketable also often makes that art less thoughtful and interesting to consume. It's not always true, and I can think of several counter-examples just sitting here quietly for a second, but it's true often enough that you can safely avoid most of it. The good stuff usually penetrates anyway.

    If that makes me a dullard, so be it.

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    I only knew who Adele was from the music videos my gym insists on playing on the big screen TV's near the machines. I don't listen to radio stations that play her music and if i saw her name in the paper or on a magazine cover I would have just ignored it like any other name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugin View Post
    Yeah, that's fine. But the point is "Who the hell is Adele" comes off like she's some obscure nobody that a typical person wouldn't have heard of. She's been in the news for being a pop start who doesn't use autotune and wear weird clothes. She's been in the news because Karl Lagerfeld called her fat. She's been in the news because she's had several big hits and won a bunch of awards.

    "I just don't listen to the sort of artists who win Grammys", no offense, comes off as "I don't even own a TV" hipster douchebaggery.
    Does asking whose Karl Lagerfeld put me into hipster territory? Because I never heard of him before.

    I first heard of Adele when driving and flipping through the radio stations. Heard Rolling in the Deep and thought it was pretty catchy.

    I'm not very musically aware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuzz View Post
    I only knew who Adele was from the music videos my gym insists on playing on the big screen TV's near the machines. I don't listen to radio stations that play her music and if i saw her name in the paper or on a magazine cover I would have just ignored it like any other name.
    The way my brain is, if I see a name several times in the course of a month or week or year, or on the covers of enough magazines or newspapers, I investigate. Even if that's just 3 minutes of looking at wikipedia or whatever. Because I just don't want to be that guy who keeps going "Who?" about people who are very famous/talented/notorious, whatever. That doesn't mean I have to like them or be a fan or an expert, I just hate the idea of being clueless. If I'm asked a question about something in the mainstream of the society I live in, I want to be able to say something intelligent about them, even if it's just "They're a talentless hack."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatatlantic View Post
    Does asking whose Karl Lagerfeld put me into hipster territory? Because I never heard of him before.
    He's a fashion designer. He's been creative director at Chanel, at Fendi, and he has his own Lagerfeld label. Fashions, perfumes, etc. He's a contemporary of Yves Saint Laurent.

    He also was the DJ/Announcer for the K109 Disco channel in GTA 4

    He's a known eccentric who semi-regularly says or does controversial or politically incorrect things. He typically dresses like a member of a vampire high council.

    There, now you're basically up to speed on Karl Lagerfeld.

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    I only knew of Adele because a co-worker likes to listen to her music. Otherwise, I'd probably only recognize a song or two from passive exposure at a casino or grocery store and have no idea who was singing it. I think nowadays there's so many things vying for one's leisure attention, it can be easier to miss out on a big name in entertainment than before. There's more TV channels, more movies, fragmented music genres, bigger video games, and the internet, which allows you more control over filtering all this stuff than TV or radio ever did. If you're not into Top 40 or AC music, you can avoid most of it pretty easily.

    I know who Justin Beiber is, but most of that knowledge comes from internet-based ridicule. I know he's a teenage pop singer and what he looks like, but I couldn't name a single song of his. It seems like I only ever learn of most of these folks when they get involved in controversy. I never heard of MIA until the superbowl incident, I never heard of Taylor Swift until the Kanye west incident, and I never heard of Kanye West until the Katrina incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugin View Post
    The way my brain is, if I see a name several times in the course of a month or week or year, or on the covers of enough magazines or newspapers, I investigate. Even if that's just 3 minutes of looking at wikipedia or whatever. Because I just don't want to be that guy who keeps going "Who?" about people who are very famous/talented/notorious, whatever. That doesn't mean I have to like them or be a fan or an expert, I just hate the idea of being clueless. If I'm asked a question about something in the mainstream of the society I live in, I want to be able to say something intelligent about them, even if it's just "They're a talentless hack."
    So I should be investigating the Kardashians and all the other nobodies whose faces grace AOL and magazines everywhere. I don't have the time or desire to be that "in the know". Pop culture isn't that important to me. I have enough trouble with the stuff I actually deal with in real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuzz View Post
    So I should be investigating the Kardashians and all the other nobodies whose faces grace AOL and magazines everywhere. I don't have the time or desire to be that "in the know". Pop culture isn't that important to me. I have enough trouble with the stuff I actually deal with in real life.
    You don't have to be an expert. You just have to be aware of the society you live in. Like I said "I'm sick of hearing about the Kardashians" is fine. "Kim Kardashian is a shameless famewhore" is fine. "Are the Kardashians famous for anything besides being famous?" is fine. ""At least she has a nice ass" is fine.

    "Who?" just makes you seem clueless and out of touch. And then one day you're going to be that sad old guy who can't make heads or tails of what an iPad is or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugin View Post
    You don't have to be an expert. You just have to be aware of the society you live in. Like I said "I'm sick of hearing about the Kardashians" is fine. "Kim Kardashian is a shameless famewhore" is fine. "Are the Kardashians famous for anything besides being famous?" is fine. ""At least she has a nice ass" is fine.

    "Who?" just makes you seem clueless and out of touch. And then one day you're going to be that sad old guy who can't make heads or tails of what an iPad is or whatever.

    I am already that sad old guy. :)

    I find there are very few recent musical groups/individuals or actors that I have any idea who they are, or why I should have heard of them. Name an athlete in (MLB-NFL-NBA-PGA) a major sport and I can tell you anything.

    And while there are reasons (maybe) for owning an IPAD I fail to see why most people would want one. :)

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    Hey--old and "technologically impaired" do not always go together...I'll admit to more years than I'd like to (68), but I like to think of myself as in the technological loop. And I even own an iPad 2. :)

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