Also this happened on Hard Knocks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5CM2...feature=g-hist
Probably. You certainly get the feeling that Philbin isn't calling most of the shots - he probably never wanted Johnson to begin with. After all, if you are trying to rebuild a team from scratch the last thing you should be doing is signing aging veterans (other then maybe an old QB to be a backup).Originally Posted by sluggo
Ocho should be able to find a home in the NFC West, home of the retread WRs. TO is in Seattle and Randy Moss is in San Fran. Maybe Jerry Rice can make a comeback.
Its also the middle of training camp and he could have to serve a game or two susoension from the the commisoner from this incident if he did get picked up. He also showed he has problems learning offenses being sidelined most of the year in New England becuase he couldn't get it.
Apparently they live in a nearby neighborhood where I have a bunch of friends. One said he heard the sirens that night. My other friend is a Doc in the ER where his wife was taken. I'll have to see if she was working that night.
I can't imagine them staying married. He sent her to the hospital and she helped tank his NFL job. I guess it makes good reality TV for people who are into that.
Yeah that Philbin-Johnson convo was telling. Not a good sign for Philbin's career as a head coach, or the Dolphins.
A suspension is unlikely, and even if it does come it won't be right away. For all the controversy around him, Johnson has had a clean off the field record until now. So Goodell isn't going to be jumping all over him.
The question is whether anyone else thinks the attention Johnson brings is worth what he is capable of contributing at this point.
Chad Johnson releases a statement, which includes the following:
Come on, man. You have the entire English language at your disposal. When you're embroiled in a domestic abuse incident, maybe it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to avoid a phrase like "love her to death"?I would like to wish Evelyn well and will never say anything bad about her because I truly love her to death.
HBO wins this week. New Hard Knocks, which will cover this stuff to some degree, airs tonight at 10 EST/7PST (and then rerun 1000x, I assume).
Here is the rather uncomfortable termination. Why the fuck would any senior leader agree to have a camera installed in his office listening and watching his every move?
http://deadspin.com/5934930/chad-joh...ng-hard-knocks
I'd be fascinated to know how HBO negotiates these deals myself. Both Philbin and GM Jeff Ireland seem to have robotic cameras installed in their offices. Do they have any say in the matter? Do they get any compensation? Is the NFLPA involved in the discussion at any point with players appearing on the show?
The part of the conversation that bugged me was when Philbin said, "I think it's best for both of us if we part ways at this point." Well, that's not true. It's not good for Chad Johnson at all. It's only good for the Dolphins, which is more than enough reason to cut him, but the way Philbin couches so many of his comments in politically correct doublespeak seems unnecessary and somewhat disingenuous. He seems like he's a bit more direct with the coaching staff, but I worry about his ability to communicate with and motivate players.
Essentially the NFL is a entertainment business and I'm sure at this point that all the parties involved have standard contractual provisions that acknowledge the realities of what the means in terms of workplace privacy. And also keep in mind the no team is obligated to do Hard Knocks - several teams turned it down this year before the Dolphins decided to agree to it. So nobody is going into this with any confusion about what that means, including the possibility of painful personal moments being caught on camera.
Its just part of the job, essentially.
I don't think the Dolphins agreed, they were begging for it. HBO couldn't get anybody else so they were basically the last choice. I'm not watching the show since I don't have HBO, but maybe Phibin is being PC because he knows he's being watched 24/7 on Hard Knocks so he's being more careful. I know I would if I was being filmed.
Dammit Cowboys, not only did you look horrifically awful in that craptastic "win" over the Raiders, you managed to get Jason Whitten spleen damaged. Fucking hell.
Because Steve Ross is both his boss and a football Moron.
Titans have officially named Jake Locker the starter for the season. I really like the move. This is his second season. He was picked 8 overall. It's time to let him get some play. I'm not convinced the Titans have a playoff caliber team right now, though their defense will be better than people think, and if CJ can return to form, they'll be in some games. But Hasselbeck wasn't taking them the distance, so why not see what you've got? If Locker is a bust, they'll find out this year. If he can be an NFL QB, it's time to get that going.
And the Fins do the same with Tannehill.
Smart move there, for similar reasons. Tannehill has looked good in camp from reports (and what little I've seen of Hard Knocks). However, the Titans have much better receivers. I hope that doesn't hurt Tannehill's development.
I think young QBs learn a lot more by playing than by sitting.
That must be why Seattle is starting Russell Wilson in pre-season game three.
Flynn seems to have proven he's the low-risk taker that is a good fit to the Seahawks running game + defense approach, though he does have enough of an arm to go deep on occasion. Wilson, however, shows flashes of play making that Flynn may not have without a better group of receivers. But so far he's shown that against 2nd, 3rd, and 4th string defenders. If he shows that against the Chiefs pretty good group of starters then Seattle is going to have a tough decision to make.
This thread does not get as much traffic as I would expect.
Wilson looked good again tonight for Seattle. Can not wait for football season!
So, who here likes QB controversies? The Browns are heading that way once again.
Refresher: 3rd round pick Colt McCoy got the starting job in 2011 almost by default. While he had moments of looking good (accurate passes, surprisingly good scrambler), the Browns still finished 4-12. Some of that might have been on Peyton Hillis missing half the games, the Browns receivers dropping the league high passes, a scarecrow for right tackle, the lockout, and a brand new offense (west coast) being taught by a new (first timer) head coach who doubled as the offensive coordinator. Still, 4-12, and a lot of check down passes inflating his completion percentages.
2012: The Browns, after losing the bid to get Griffen III, used the number 22 overall pick to draft Brandon Weeden, the 28 year old rookie. It doesn't take a genius level analysis to realize drafting a 28 year old QB in the first round means you plan on starting him. Sure enough, he was named the starter right before training camp began. He has certainly looked like a better passer, at times. However, tonight he was only 9 for 20 in the first half with two fumbles against Philadelphia (who the Browns play for the regular season home opener). Colt McCoy (who played the 3rd quarter) was 7/9 with a touchdown. This more or less mirrors what happened the first two games. Weeden shows some promise, but it doesn't show in the stat line, McCoy comes in after and looks great.
Now, preseason games are meaningless for a lot of reasons, and there is every chance that Weeden will play better in the regular season. For starters, the 3rd overall pick, Trent Richardson, was out for the preseason for knee surgery. However, the narrative is already set, and if Weeden doesn't look better in the regular season, expect the cries for McCoy to get his job back.
As a Steelers fan I think they should go with both QB's. Design plays for both and switch them out during games...they'll totally confuse defenses. :)
Seattle still has a QB controversy. Rookie third round pick Russell Wilson had another good game, this time against the Chiefs first team defense. Only Wilson has thrown a touchdown this pre-season. Flynn didn't even play after suffering a "sore elbow" this week in practice. But at this point Flynn has many more first team reps, so the conservative move might be to give him the job anyway. However, Pete Carroll still won't commit to when he will even name his starter, meaning it might come after the game next week. And who knows if the Flynn injury is anything more severe.
The good news is that the team is still running oriented, meaning they can probably bring whatever starter up to speed as long as they can run. But the early schedule has some challenges, including Green Bay and New England at home, making that approach seem rather questionable.
I'm rooting for Wilson, he was electric at NC State.
I'm a longhorn fan so I'm biased towards McCoy.
That out of the way, I have no idea what Cleveland was thinking drafting Weeden. They need OLine help bad. Until they get that fixed McCoy, with his scrambling ability, is a much better option.
Biased as well, Texas grad. I think McCoy is a starting QB. Not great, not pro bowl. But a starter and someone that would be successful on a good team. And I dont see Weeden doing anything right now that shows me he is better.
Cleveland was flummoxed when they couldn't work out a deal to get RG3. I viewed the Wheedon thing as a "see, we really didn't need RG3 anyway." It seemed like a reach.
I think the problem with McCoy is arm strength. I think he limits an offense to some extent because he doesn't have the arm to fire the ball into tight windows.
Good Lord, the Dolphins offense is horrendous.
And based on what I've seen on Hard Knocks thus far, I'm not liking Philbin's demeanor with the players. It's painful watching him interact with them. He strikes me as the type of head coach a young team can walk all over, similar to Raheem Morris in Tampa Bay. He needs to be more like Tampa Bay's new head coach (Greg Schiano).
I don't see any controversy. Weeden looked fine when his offensive line wasn't being overwhelmed by the Eagles D-line, which was on almost every play. He also had no running game to ease the pressure. Even pro-bowler Joe Thomas looked overmatched. McCoy looked good against the Eagles scrubs and the coaching staff undoubtedly knows this.
Weeden looks like he can play, but expectations have to be tempered by the fact that not only is he a rookie, but the Browns will be starting 4 or 5 other rookies on offense with him, and one of the those, 2nd round pick at right tackle, Mitchell Schwartz, looks like he's a project at best, and a complete bust at worst. The Eagles defensive ends made him look a Division 3 high school player.
I also disagree with Mark. I don't think it was a "See, we don't need RG3 thing," I think they viewed Weeden as the best QB available late in the first round. Also, don't be shocked if the Browns trade McCoy before the season starts to a team looking for a decent backup QB, especially the Packers.
But the point is that the OL is so bad that McCoy may be the better option for THIS season. They aren't going to improve that pass protection this year, most likely. Weeden is a timing QB, but he needs good protection...or at least average protection. They can't give him that!
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