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Speaking of indoor shitholes.
Saints GM listened in on opposing coaches radio conversations during home games.
New Orleans is sure giving the Pats a run for dirtiest organization.
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If it proves true that Loomis did listen in he should be fired by the Saints and be indefinately suspended by the league. But right now the league says this is news to them.
Man the hits keep on coming for the Saints. If that's true...wow. That makes Spygate trivial.
A few sources saying it's bogus, and the Saints look like they may drop a lawsuit on ESPN.
edit: The more I think about it, the more the story doesn't make a lot of sense. What, exactly, was Loomis eavesdropping on? Coach to coach radio communications? How was this even possible?
As far as I know the signals are encrypted as well. Even if Loomis COULD listen in, what would it gain him? The opposing team's play calls would make no sense to him, since he doesn't know the playbook, and he has no way to communicate to the coaches on the field.The NFL pre-assigns a private frequency to each team so that the other team cannot hear the communications, but more importantly because they want to monitor such team communications for any other evidence of cheating or unauthorized use of the radio system.
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So does this mean those 7-9 and 8-8 seasons from back then will have asterisks next to them?
Eat a dick ESPN. I hope the Saints nail you to the wall for this.
What, no draft talk?
I honestly am rendered clueless at who the Browns are going to draft with the 4 pick. 90% of the mock drafts I've skimmed have settled on them drafting Trent Richardson with number 4. Why? Because we "need playmakers" or "replace Peyton" or something else. Really, I think the mockers are using the Browns as a "draft dump." They rate a player's skill set at a certain level, but need to find a team to draft him. Every recent study of the issue says running backs should not be drafter early in the first because...
- running game more a product of the O-line, not the individual runner
- the best backs aren't that much better than the merely good ones
- running backs are generally more injury prone than most other positions.
- the league is dominated by passing, and a run first offense cannot succeed.
- every season teams find running backs drafted in the 2nd and later rounds. Peyton Hillis was a 7th rounder, I think.
Yet, Richardson is going to be worth it, really.
My money is on LSU corner back Claiborne. It really doesn't matter who we draft, our offense will still be bad, but last season the Browns had one of the best pass defenses in the NFL thanks in part to corner back Haden. Two shutdown corner backs is a scary combo for the pass happy modern NFL.
It would seem a bit stupid to draft Claiborne since the Browns already do have Haden and a good pass defense. And I doubt in a few years if they are both top CBs in the league the Browns will keep them both. Whether they take Richardson or not, they clearly need to improve their offense. Whether that is getting help for Colt McCoy if they still believe in him or maybe even drafting Tannehill if he can be a franchise QB. Then use the second first round pick on Wright or Hill.
For the Niners, I heard everything from Hill to Fleener to all three OL positions. If the Niners believe Daniel Kilgore, whom they drafted in the fifth round last year is NFL ready, they won't draft on the OL. I hope Fleener or Hill is available, if both I really don't know which I like better.
Draft talk? Well, what about Subway's new marketing campaign? To announce their partnership with RG3, they made a 3 foot bust out of him out of deli meat.
Seriously. This makes me never want to eat Subway again.
The Rams need a lot of help. Claiborne and Blackmon would both fill needs. Kalil if he's there at six would help, though they still hope Jason Smith can develop. There's some talk that Fisher will push for that DT who is on the rise on the draft boards -- can't remember his name. I think they would also be happy to trade down again.
It's a tricky draft because after you get beyond the two QBs and Kalil, is anyone else really worth those 4, 5, and 6 picks? Maybe Claiborne. It's not really a running back league now so that diminishes the value of TR. Blackmon isn't considered to be at the same talent level as Green and Jones were last year and a lot of people think Floyd might be a better talent anyway.
Anyway, should be fun starting with the third pick. Do the Vikings want to trade down? Do they want Claiborne more than they want a LOT?
I'm just curious what the Dolphins will do to screw things up tonight.
They will draft Ryan Tannehill, this year's winner of the coveted "Mike Mamula Memorial Award For Guy Whose Stock Shoots Up Most Dramatically After He Stops Playing Football". I believe he's also a finalist for "Most Likely To Recap The Career Of Koy Detmer".Originally Posted by sluggo
If the Dolphins merely pick Tannehill at 8, I'll live with that. They need a QB and if they want to roll the dice on him, so be it.
But the Dolphins have shown an aptitude for failing on a much higher level, so I'm worried they'll do something spectacularly bad, like trading away next year's draft to get Tannehill, or skipping him completely at 8 to draft some unknown guy who was a projected 4th rounder.
When's the last time the Dolphins received a positive post-draft grade from draft analysts? It's been a long time, so I'm not confident Ireland will wow the fans as he promised. Settle in for a 4th-place season, sluggo; I'll make room on the couch for ya!
Here's the thing about Miami: their schedule is so cushy -- their only three games against real "elite" teams come in the last five games -- that any decent team playing that schedule would probably start out 8-3 or better. So if they can just fill in some gaps and play clean football, they could actually pretend to be in the hunt through Thanksgiving.
But of course, they're the Dolphins, so they'll probably find some way to re-draft Ryan Leaf tonight.
I hate to do a quote by quote reply to a poster, but really I'm not trying toargue, just talk about the Browns.
Thats just it, though, the Browns have a good defense. It doesn't matter who we draft for offense, it will still be a bad offense (though better this due to the new headcoach, more experience McCoy, and off season). By looking to improve their defense, they have a chance to get a monster defense. Throw some average bodies into the holes in the offense and just maybe put together a playoff run.
This is a good problem to have.And I doubt in a few years if they are both top CBs in the league the Browns will keep them both.
Just plugging the hole at right tackle, giving HC Shurmur an OC and an offseason, and having more experience will improve the offense on its own.Whether they take Richardson or not, they clearly need to improve their offense.
If the FO liked Tannehill as a franchise quarterback, they never would have bid so high on Griffin. Plus, there's little signs like the general manager missing a Tannehill visit to Cleveland.Whether that is getting help for Colt McCoy if they still believe in him or maybe even drafting Tannehill if he can be a franchise QB. Then use the second first round pick on Wright or Hill.
You Browns fans know more about your team than I ever will but I can't help thinking, as an outside observer, that if the team's defense is doing well then now is not the time to go for a monster defense. Depending on what happens at 3, the Browns have a three out of four chance to do something for their offense(which let's face it, can use all the help it can get). RB, OT, or WR on the one hand, CB on the other.
In terms of winning games, the difference between a good defense and a monster defense is not as big as the difference between an offense that can move the ball and maybe even score points and one that goes three and out(thus putting more pressure on the defense).
I'd point to the Broncos last year as an example. Even lead by a QB who most people think is a joke, they won games including one in the playoffs. Why? Because they had a good enough defense combined with an offense that could move the ball and score, albeit unconventionally.
The Browns need a standout player at a skill position. It really doesn't matter who they pick though, that organization can make the best players look awful.
AS far as the 49ers are concerned I really hope they don't pick up a receiver (or the even crazier idea of getting a running back). If they aren't going to trade up for David DeCastro then they need to take the best OL still available.
A monster defense is great, but the Browns literally have nothing on offense do they? They're like the Niners from 2-3 years ago where they had the defense but the offense was always in shambles. Well the Niners offense still isn't great but decent enough. What I'm saying is they're going to need to fill out that offense with something better than just fillers. I don't see them as being one key defensive star from a playoff run so drafting a CB would just keep them in their cycle of suck they're currently stuck in.
I don't think Tannehill is the guy either, his draft stock shot through the roof once the football season was over. I'm not even sure from the early mocks he was even in the first two or three rounds. Maybe the Browns do draft Claireborne with the #4, take Kendall Wright with the second first rounder and then Doug Martin with the second rounder.
There are plenty of serviceable pieces on the Browns offense. The big name is Left Tackle Joe Thomas, who is going to end up in Canton. He's been to every pro-bowl since 2007. Center Alex Mack is also regarded as pretty good and made the pro-bowl in 2010. Beyond that, they have a serviceable stable of tight ends and wide receivers. Greg Little did OK for his rookie year. The big knock against them is they dropped more passes than any other team.
They aren't any player away from a playoff run, except maybe a distant shot at Drew Brees of the Saints situation continues to deteriorate. Anyways, the Browns need to draft the best players available with the best value. Trent Richardson might be the best running back in the draft, but how much better is he then the RBs below him? They have 13 picks overall (though 6 are in the 6th and 7th rounds), and 5 picks in the first four rounds. They have the luxury of grabbing the best players available early, and filling needs with projected starters later.I don't see them as being one key defensive star from a playoff run so drafting a CB would just keep them in their cycle of suck they're currently stuck in.
That being stated, the TV in the background is claiming the Browns traded with the Vikings with the intention of drafting Richardson. No details, but I hope the front office knows what they are doing. Trading up to grab a RB from a team that has no reason to draft a RB strikes me as a bad draft decision, especially considering the talent still available. Still, I trust the FO knows what its doing with its draft strategy.
That sounds very stupid if they're trading up for Richardson. I heard the Rams were looking to get Richardson too. Possibly swap picks and Steven Jackson. They must be really high on Richardson if that's what they're doing. Or could be a smokescreen and they're after the OT.
You're right. While Richardson may be good, great even. The Browns could still grab a good RB in the second or third round.
Well, the rumored details are the Browns did not sell the house to move up, just the garage: a 4th round, a 5th round, and a 7th round. I don't know if that 4th round pick is Cleveland's or the one Cleveland got from Atlanta in trade.
Edit: If you want to embrace conspiracy theories, the Vikings started making noise yesterday (or the day before) that they weren't sold on Kalil and were deeply considering Claiborne. This could have been a push to get the Browns to move up.
Last edited by Greatatlantic; 04-26-2012 at 04:48 PM.
In non-draft news, the NFL is apparently mulling suspending the Pro Bowl.
I'm sorry, Trent. At least you can leave in four years!
STL is racking up a ton of picks, including 3 second round picks now.
~C~
This is so much better than the fifteen minute per pick death march that the first round of the draft was.
Alright, I can live with the Miami pick. They didn't trade up for it, they didn't trade out, we'll take a shot on this guy and hope it pans out.
Chiefs take a workout wonder, Dontari Poe. I don't like the guy -- just didn't produce at a top level in college.
Cowboys take Morris Claiborne, I am happy with that. Shoring up that abysmal secondary that collapsed so many times last year is crucial, now if Ryan will stop calling blitzes for no damn reason...no, he'll never do that.
Can DeCastro slip another 15 picks? Fingers crossed!
Good job trading yourselves out of the top receivers, Rams.
edit: I wish the Raiders had a 1st round pick. I miss Al Davis during the draft.
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