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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Larry View Post
    Oh wow Sapp outs Shockey as the snitch on the NFL's own network.
    Florio is pretty livid about it, even though he insists that Sapp is actually wrong. Florio argues that the NFL needs to protect whoever spilled the news so that in future players will be willing to come forward. The problem, though, is that the NFL network has no credibility if their news gatherers (who aren't supposed to have special access) aren't allowed to report what they know. So I think Florio is off base in those criticisms.

    In other news, Tebow is a Jet officially now. New York agreed to pay half of the money. Schefter from ESPN said it was Tebow's choice in a tweet between the Jets and Jags, but then said the Broncos would make a decision about what was best for them. So who knows if Tebow was given any input in the end. Either way, let the carnival begin in New York.

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    I want to go to that game in Foxboro.

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    Yeah, tickets for the Jets in Foxboro will be impossible to come by.
    I admit it, I don't have a clue what the Jets were thinking. If a team like GB or NE took him, I would understand they would use Tebow for something other than QB...which I think is fine, it is pretty obvious he is a talented football player.
    Field General...no. As much as he won last year, when he ran into teams that did not underestimate him, he had no answer. He doesn't read defenses well, can't throw anything other than the deep ball...exc. I doubt he is going to learn too..he has been a QB playing at a high level for 6 years now, that weird delivery is not going to change. His QB smarts are not going to change . If a team built itself around him, and just went full bore smashmouth they might stand a chance. The Jets are not going to do that. Too bad, playing Denver was at the very least entertaining. They were a fun team to watch, if only because they were completely unlike every other team in the league.

    Bounties: Wow did this go down even worse than I thought. I knew Payton would be screwed...but I didn't think a year. NO just became irrelevant for at least 2 years. I mean...who coaches this year? Who drafts? And a pissed off QB? He is so walking at the end of this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Larry View Post
    Oh wow Sapp outs Shockey as the snitch on the NFL's own network.
    Saints fans are not a forgiving lot.


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    A funny but confusing new marketing campaign by the Seahawks. Trying to take advantage of recent news, they are running 'net adds that show three prominently talked about players - Marshawn Lynch, Red Bryant, and Matt Flynn. Oddly, in the age of photoshop, Flynn is shown in his Packer gear. And the other two are wearing what will soon be the old Seahawk uniforms (Seattle is the only team that has admitted making any notable changes for the new Nike uni contract that goes into effect soon. Of course those new uniforms won't be revealed for a few more weeks.)

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    I wonder what the status of Williams is in St. Louis now. While the main story on the St. Louis paper website says no decision has been made, another piece makes it sound like he's already gone, with the headline "Rams rinse their Bountygate stain and move on" and quotes from Fisher about not hiring Williams if they'd known about the scandal. (Which seems odd since Fisher and Williams were supposedly good friends, but that is a different matter.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rightbug View Post

    The best Tebow tweet I've heard today was, "Maybe he can get together with Jeremy Lin to help him with his bounce pass."
    The Broncos are the first team ever to sacrifice a virgin for a Super Bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Asher View Post

    The thing is if you can trade two 1s and a 2 and get a franchise QB for 10 years or more, do it. That's a cheap price to pay. Lots of 1s bust just as often as a QB pick busts.
    First and foremost, every draft and every draft trade can really only be analyzed in the rear view mirror. Impossible right now to say if this was a good trade or not.

    As a die hard Redskins fan, my thoughts are:

    1. The skins haven't exactly been rocking their first round selections historically
    2. They paid only marginally more than the Browns did

    Let's wait and see what comes.

    Greg Williams - he's suspended indefinitely to force his co-operation - he'll kowtow and be a good boy. A lifetime ban (now) would give him no reason to co-operate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Heilbrunn View Post
    The Broncos are the first team ever to sacrifice a virgin for a Super Bowl.
    Come on, you think Al Davis didn't try this at least once?

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    Tom Brady just opened up 7 million on cap space.
    Tom wants ring 4 badly.



    I hate the Jets, but they sure are the franchise that keeps on giving the hilarity. Sadly, they have the coaching staff to win, but the dysfunction is amazing everywhere else in the organization.

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    My favorite rumor is that they are going to run the wildcat on every down. Opposing teams will have no idea which quarterback is going to throw the ball into the stands!

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    Does the guaranteed part (as in he's a first rounder) of Tebow's contract extend past this next season? This will be his third season, and normally 1st round contracts expire at the end of the third season (or they did during the previous CBA), so are the Jets on the hook for him after this season?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarkus View Post
    I wonder what the status of Williams is in St. Louis now. While the main story on the St. Louis paper website says no decision has been made, another piece makes it sound like he's already gone, with the headline "Rams rinse their Bountygate stain and move on" and quotes from Fisher about not hiring Williams if they'd known about the scandal. (Which seems odd since Fisher and Williams were supposedly good friends, but that is a different matter.)
    Fisher and Williams are friends, but the NFL is big business. You don't hire a friend if you know the hammer is going to come down on the guy. The Rams will get through this year and see what happens to Williams and make a decision. There's no rush to make a decision now unless Williams presses for one, and I don't see that happening.

    Fisher said they will run the defense with the staff they have. Essentially, Fisher is the DC. They are running his defensive playbook.

    If anything this probably means Schottenheimer has more control of the offense now.

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    Williams is saying all the right things, so he very well may be back in the 2013 season. I wonder what else the league will let him do to promote player safety like he says he wants to do.

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    And of course (from ESPN)


    WASHINGTON -- The Senate wants to grill the NFL about bounties. And the NBA, NHL, NCAA and Major League Baseball are invited, too.

    Sen. Dick Durbin is setting up a Judiciary Committee hearing about bounties in professional football and other major sports in the wake of news that New Orleans Saints players received extra cash for hits that hurt particular opponents.

    The assistant Senate majority leader, an Illinois Democrat, said Thursday he wants to examine whether federal law should make such bounty systems a crime.

    "Let's be real basic about it here. If this activity were taking place off of a sporting field, away from a court, nobody would have a second thought (about whether it's wrong). 'You mean, someone paid you to go out and hurt someone?' " Durbin said in a telephone interview before raising the issue on the floor of the Senate.

    "It goes way beyond the rules of any sporting contest, at least team contest, to intentionally inflict harm on another person for a financial reward," he said.

    His announcement came a day after the NFL took a harsh stand on bounties, suspending Saints coach Sean Payton for all of next season, and indefinitely banning their former defensive coordinator, Gregg Williams. Saints general manager Mickey Loomis was barred for half of 2012, assistant head coach Joe Vitt got a six-game ban, and the team also was docked two second-round draft picks (one in 2012 and another in '13) and $500,000.

    Payton is the first head coach suspended by the league for any reason.

    NFL commissioner Roger Goodell still needs to decide what penalties to give players who were involved in the Saints' scheme from 2009-11.

    The NFLPA on Thursday said in a statement that it still is waiting for cooperation from the Saints and NFL to set up interviews.

    "NFLPA leadership looks forward to meeting with the Commissioner to discuss the League's 'Bounty' investigation," the NFLPA said. "To date, neither the League, nor the Saints, have helped us facilitate interviews with members of management or the coaching staff. We expect the League to provide all information so that we can ensure a fair process for all who were involved."

    Durbin said he was pleased by the severity of Goodell's punishment against the Saints.

    "I am encouraged by what the National Football League did. What they came down with as a penalty on the New Orleans Saints was decisive and historic," Durbin said, adding that he thought the league was "taking this very seriously."

    But moving forward, the NFL and other leagues must "come up with standards to make sure this isn't going to happen again," he said. Otherwise, lawmakers will need to "at least explore whether it is necessary to have federal legislation in this area."

    One possibility, Durbin explained, would be to extend federal sports bribery laws to cover bounties, so that "if someone offers in a team sports situation some sort of value, money or otherwise, to intentionally hurt another player, that, in fact, would be a crime."

    In an email to the AP, NFL spokesman Greg Aiello wrote: "Commissioner Goodell has taken strong action to ensure that bounties are eliminated from the NFL. We have not heard from Senator Durbin but would be pleased to discuss the matter with him."

    Under the bounty system overseen in New Orleans by Williams -- who was hired in January by the St. Louis Rams -- the targeted players included quarterbacks Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton, Brett Favre and Kurt Warner. "Knockouts" were worth $1,500 and "cart-offs" $1,000, with payments doubled or tripled for the playoffs.

    According to the league, Saints defensive captain Jonathan Vilma offered $10,000 to any player who knocked then-Vikings QB Favre out of the 2010 NFC championship game.

    Durbin isn't sure when the hearing will happen, but he said it could be two to three weeks from now.
    I don't know the NHL, but I doubt that there are bounties in the NBA because hey they would just come back and take your star out and who wants that? I guess it would be interesting to find out that pitchers are paid to hit hitters but really, at least in the NL, that pitcher has to come up to bat at some time and then what happens?

    I guess Congress has to take every moment to be the center of attention, but this is overkill.

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    There's an interesting book called the Baseball Codes that goes into some of the idea of intentional injury in baseball as an enforcement mechanism. Basically, they talk about how it works out to tit-for-tat. Even if the pitcher doesn't come up to bat, his guys do, and if you're hitting his guys, they'll give him the message.

    And there are some stories of pretty epic grudges too, ones that last several years, or personal grudges that last from the minors into the majors. I get the feeling it'd be pretty hard for a pitcher to have a bounty on somebody. Everybody would know immediately, because everybody in the locker room knows what's retribution and what's unwarranted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Malphunktion View Post
    I hate the Jets, but they sure are the franchise that keeps on giving the hilarity. Sadly, they have the coaching staff to win, but the dysfunction is amazing everywhere else in the organization.
    I love the Jets. They're the one organization that makes the Redskins look positively professional by comparison...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorini View Post
    I don't know the NHL...
    This was before my time, but it's my understanding that, during the 1972 Summit Series between the Canadian NHL stars and the Soviet Red Army team, Team Canada assistant coach John Ferguson asked Bobby Clarke (of the Broad Street Bullies-era Philadelphia Flyers) to take out Valeri Kharlamov, the best Russkie on the ice.

    Quote Originally Posted by John Ferguson, Sr.
    I called Clarke over to the bench, looked at Kharlamov and said, "I think he needs a tap on the ankle." I didn't think twice about it. It was us versus them and Kharlamov was killing us. I mean somebody had to do it.
    Clarke obliged and slashed Kharlamov on the ankle, fracturing it and effectively nullifying Kharlamov for the rest of the series.

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    Tim Tebow got flown to New York in a private jet. A supposedly second string QB. Man I think the Jets are going to be a 16 week long slow motion car wreck next year.

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    The funny part is that the Tebow to the Jets thing still isn't finished officially. Its going to happen, but the convoluted nature of this transaction is hilarious.

    A few interesting free agent notes: 49ers re-signed Ted Ginn and then signed QB Josh Johnson after all. Jeff Saturday never even made it to Denver to reunite with Peyton, instead choosing to sign with the Packers.

    Meanwhile, Warren Sapp got a talking to from his bosses at the NFL Network about his tweeting claims that Shockey was the Bountygate snitch. In future he is required to bring such info to his bosses for verification before going public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarkus View Post
    Meanwhile, Warren Sapp got a talking to from his bosses at the NFL Network about his tweeting claims that Shockey was the Bountygate snitch. In future he is required to bring such info to his bosses for verification before going public.
    Twitter -- technology designed with the intent to expose the stupidity of celebrities.

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    The Broncos finally signed a backup QB. If Peyton isn't ready after all, it will be the Caleb Hanie era in Denver.

    Starting to see more and more national commentators say they thing RGIII is better then Luck. I'm sure that will make Redskin fans feel better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Asher View Post
    Twitter -- technology designed with the intent to expose the stupidity of celebrities.
    And dummies like me!

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    The Cowboys and Redskins have filed a grievance against the NFL and NFLPA that will be heard by a neutral arbitrator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarkus View Post
    The Broncos finally signed a backup QB. If Peyton isn't ready after all, it will be the Caleb Hanie era in Denver.

    Starting to see more and more national commentators say they thing RGIII is better then Luck. I'm sure that will make Redskin fans feel better.
    Yeah, what I'm seeing is that the only area Luck is considered superior is in his comfort with NFL style offenses and his ability to read defenses. A lot of people think RG3 has a bigger arm, more touch, and more accuracy. And both are high character types with an excellent work ethic.

    Funny how the last times the Colts had the #1 overall there were two QBs that were ranked very close to one another. Some teams might have taken Leaf over Manning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Asher View Post
    Yeah, what I'm seeing is that the only area Luck is considered superior is in his comfort with NFL style offenses and his ability to read defenses. A lot of people think RG3 has a bigger arm, more touch, and more accuracy. And both are high character types with an excellent work ethic.

    Funny how the last times the Colts had the #1 overall there were two QBs that were ranked very close to one another. Some teams might have taken Leaf over Manning.
    Both guys seem like the real deal. The things I like the most about RG3 is how he combines all that ability with intelligence (graduated college in 3 years, currently getting a master's) and charisma, but he's also extremely disciplined, and works hard. This isn't a case of someone being uplifted to compete with Luck...he's a seriously legit talent.

    If he doesn't work out, it's probably just because he got drafted by the Redskins.

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    If he doesn't work out, it's probably just because he got drafted by the Redskins.
    QFT. He'll get traded to the eagles for a 2017 4th round pick and blossom.

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    It's official. Fuck Tim Tebow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichVR View Post
    It's official. Fuck Tim Tebow.
    Because the trade is official or because of something he said at his press conference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichVR View Post
    It's official. Fuck Tim Tebow.
    The drama, it begins! Saw this billboard coming into the city on sunday.

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