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    The multiplication of these software layers is annoying. Steam is one thing, but there's also the Games for Windows Live layer that many games have (with its many problems), things like Rockstar's Social Club for the Grand Theft Auto games, and now this Origin system. How many of these are we going to need to have active, and what kind of problems is that going to cause?

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    Bet Ubisoft is feeling kind of bitter watching people sit down for this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Johnson View Post
    Enjoy that every-EA-game-you-own ban.
    You mean on neo(nazi)-Origin, right?
    Because I highly doubt EA can ban me from C&C, C&C: Red Alert, Red Alert 2, the entire Origin catalogue (Wing Commander series, Crusader: No Remorse/No Regret, Ultima, Privateer), FIFA96/7/8/9/whatever and who knows what other EA-owned/published games that I own until/since before I stopped buying their games several years ago when it came to be an unavoidable fact that they are still in fact the own-your-soul-and-fuck-you-after business worms who are in a pact with the devil (kotick was probably the signing partner).
    Some of which I still enjoy to this very day.




    Fuck, I still own One on One: Dr J versus Larry Bird. From before their logo changed to reflect their efficient, slick, evil empire.
    Will they ban me from that? can they? I DARE THEM TO TRY!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2Zi6udU5BE
    Man, I must've grinded more hours away playing this game against friends and the AI than I have spent doing my homework and eating.

    By the way, the music is totally lifted off from the movie The Sting. The original composer should sue the living fuck off of EA.
    I bet they didn't pay Dr J or Larry dividends off from sales, either. I smell a massive press buzz case!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxstab View Post
    Dr J versus Larry Bird.
    Nostalgia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Townsend View Post
    Bet Ubisoft is feeling kind of bitter watching people sit down for this stuff.
    I have strong suspicions that Origin isn't exactly taking off as well as EA hoped it would. I know I haven't bought anything on it, and those in this thread can't be the only ones out there who have avoided it like the plague. It's just anecdotal, but it seems like there's more hostility toward it (and GFWL, of course) than Steam garnered as it started up. I know some people didn't like the original Steam very much back in the day, myself included, but the level of distaste was quite different.

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    It's simple Dan. People have a very short long-term memory. And when a start-up 'leader' in a certain field reaches its mature boiling point, any competitor is immediately expected (most unrealistically) to live up to what's currently being catered.
    Look at the WoW case. WoW had a shite ass of a launch. Massive queues, servers failing. So on. But now, years later, no one remembers that, at least not consciously.
    When a new MMO launches, they usually expect it to be as good as CONTEMPORARY WoW. Not Beta-WoW. Not Launch-WoW. Rather, CURRENT-WoW.
    When a new MMO falters in delivering anything less than a perfect-out-of-the-box experience, people look at it funny, cry murder and demand their money back (something that the indie finance-us-while-we-build-this-thing-from-scratch guys are now discovering).
    The same is now with Origin.
    None has in their mundane awareness the fact that Steam once had a very rocky and haphazard launch. All they know is the current service they're getting.
    They expect and demand nothing less and will accept nothing less.

    That's part of why companies hate consumers as much as consumers hate companies. And that's, in the end 'large picture', why none is loyal to either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_Theman View Post
    but it seems like there's more hostility toward it (and GFWL, of course) than Steam garnered as it started up. I know some people didn't like the original Steam very much back in the day, myself included, but the level of distaste was quite different.
    Heh, I remember a good amount of hostility.
    Even today some people hold on to a huge amount of hate for Steam based solely on the release backslash. Cue Foxstab, who I hoped would take a minute or two longer to reply... :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Townsend View Post
    Bet Ubisoft is feeling kind of bitter watching people sit down for this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Therlun View Post
    Heh, I remember a good amount of hostility.
    Even today some people hold on to a huge amount of hate for Steam based solely on the release backslash. Cue Foxstab, who I hoped would take a minute or two longer to reply... :P
    Oh, I don't grudge them for the launch, could care less. I personally disagree with their business plan of offering you the privilege of paying full price for a license to play a game rather than actually owning a game. That, plus regional pricing and a shoddy Internet-history of customer (dis)service.
    I think the rest of their service is ,likely, quite fantastic, most of the time.

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    Aside from the business in Germany - and little enough on that - I haven't seen much to suggest torches and pitchforks on anything remotely like a Ubisoft level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Townsend View Post
    Aside from the business in Germany - and little enough on that - I haven't seen much to suggest torches and pitchforks on anything remotely like a Ubisoft level.
    Battlefield 3 is not Modern Warfare 3. That's the reason/answer.

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    On the off-chance that it worked, I fired up Bulletstorm (recently obtained from the $8 Origin sale) while offline. It bitched about not being signed in to Windows, but then worked. Looks like for that one at least, Origin is just the delivery service.

    So at least I can finish a couple of my bargains (while offline) before uninstalling the horrible thing. I bet Dragon Age 2 won't work though. Saboteur might. Hmm...

    Anyway. I'll be glad to be rid of it, but also glad I can at least finish what I just got. :P

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    So anyway...as usual, this is conspiratorial bullshit: http://www.reddit.co...armless/c2vbjty

    Yay. Conspiracies. So let's see what Origin really does, shall we?

    If you hook process monitor onto Origin you will not see Origin scanning anything, independently of how long you use it. So what triggered the OP's screenshot?

    Origin on installation will try to find games installed on your harddrive and automatically register them within Origin. It does that in a couple of different ways:
    1. It reads the windows games registry
    2. It looks for games in Program Files
    3. It looks for games in ProgramData (where, for unknown reason the OP's SMS and tax software are storing the data instead of the user profile where that data should go!)
    4. it reads the xfire config if it finds one for games

    If you look at the screenshot closely you will see that it does not actually read any files. Instead it looks for their existence and recursively walks the directory. It does not read any of your files, at least not judging from this screenshot or anything I have found on my machine.


    Lastly if you monitor the network traffic that Origin causes you will see that it does not transmit anything of value to EA. So far I have not seen anything bug login credentials being submitted.

    But it's always so much more fun to assume that software is inherently evil. You can hook a syscall monitor on any application and you will see that it operates all over the drive. That's not something unique to Origin. Steam will do the same if you click the "add non steam game" button.

    //EDIT: something I forgot: I think people should not run any sysinternals tools without a basic understanding of what they do or at least not jump to conclusions.

    Steam does the exact same thing, if not even worse: http://www.neogaf.co...12&postcount=54
    Why is steam checking out my external hard drive, in the folder where I hide my porn at?


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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN8R View Post
    So anyway...as usual, this is conspiratorial bullshit:

    Yay. Conspiracies. So let's see what Origin really does, shall we?

    If you hook process monitor onto Origin you will not see Origin scanning anything, independently of how long you use it. So what triggered the OP's screenshot?

    Origin on installation will try to find games installed on your harddrive and automatically register them within Origin. It does that in a couple of different ways:
    It reads the windows games registry
    It looks for games in Program Files
    It looks for games in ProgramData (where, for unknown reason the OP's SMS and tax software are storing the data instead of the user profile where that data should go!)
    it reads the xfire config if it finds one for games
    If you look at the screenshot closely you will see that it does not actually read any files. Instead it looks for their existence and recursively walks the directory. It does not read any of your files, at least not judging from this screenshot or anything I have found on my machine.


    Lastly if you monitor the network traffic that Origin causes you will see that it does not transmit anything of value to EA. So far I have not seen anything bug login credentials being submitted.

    But it's always so much more fun to assume that software is inherently evil. You can hook a syscall monitor on any application and you will see that it operates all over the drive. That's not something unique to Origin. Steam will do the same if you click the "add non steam game" button.

    //EDIT: something I forgot: I think people should not run any sysinternals tools without a basic understanding of what they do or at least not jump to conclusions.
    What a fucking shocker. Some guy that plays PC games thinks he knows everything about computers because he accomplished extremely difficult and expert tasks such as the lego-style assembly of his own computer and updating his drivers that one time so he could get an extra .5 FPS in Cool New Manshoot 4.

    He then takes a screenshot of his bogus discovery and shares it with a bunch of other PC gamers who also think they know everything about computers, who rage without evidence.

    Then someone who does know something about computers rolls up and tells you you're all fucking idiots. The nerdrage makes some final grumblings about EA anyway because "well they're still evil" and goes back to playing Battlefield 3, which they never uninstalled anyway despite the trumpeting calls to do so on various public forums.

    I swear to god, The Hero with a Thousand Faces needs an updated version for internet tales.

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    In the end, it's still EA's responsibility to respond quickly and thoroughly, and they did neither.

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