Reply With QuoteNo context, no... Just the crotchety station owner lamenting the state of baseball in New York.
Did they offer any context?Originally Posted by Omniscia
Mets and Giants got rained out on Sunday. The Giants and Mets don't share an off day the rest of the season when the Mets are in New York, so they had to make up the game as a Monday doubleheader, on a cold, grey day in New York. Folks who held tickets from the Sunday game got dibs. Guessing most of those folks have to work on Monday at 4:10 pm when the game started (on about 20 hours notice). Folks with tickets for the nightcap got second dibs, but again, guessing many of them worked that day as well.
For the nightcap the Mets and Giants played in front of 23,000 people.
No context, no... Just the crotchety station owner lamenting the state of baseball in New York.
Pelfrey on the DL for the Mets and headed to see Dr. Andrews.
I'm waiting for Jeff at Lookout Landing, or Dave from USS Mariner, to do the same ragequit thing soon. I read Jayzerli's rant and I felt that I could scratch out every instance of "Royals" and fill it in with "Mariners", particularly about the part of "being aggressive" and "doing the same things over and over". :(
The (likely) only thing keeping guys like that interested in the team is that they (the Mariners) generally do things that stats guys like. The results always seem to suck, but they're generally making front office decisions based on a good process. Stuff like - don't spend big money on an overweight and aging first baseman when that's the easiest position to fill (ignore the fact that Justin Smoak appears to be even worse thus far this year), trade from a position of excess for one of need (Pineda for Montero, again ignoring that Montero has shown nothing that would seem to justify all the rave scouting reviews of his bat), defensive runs saved = offensive runs scored (Gutierrez extension, Brendan Ryan trade, etc - once again ignoring that those players haven't exactly panned out).
Jeff from Lookout Landing seems to revel in the ridiculousness of it all.
This is true, but you can tell there's some wear there when he's trolling his own blog with a "stupid word of the day" thing.
After last weekend (a sweep consisting of a TYPICAL horribly-wasted Felix performance AND a bonus perfecto hung on them by Joe the Nobody Pitcher), combined with a nearly a decade of flailing, I'm at the point where I pretty much want to ragequit on the Mariners.
The Brewers had a pretty nice spring training ballpark with good eats down in Arizona. Maybe I'll become a Brewers fan LOL
Last edited by scharmers; 04-24-2012 at 05:10 PM. Reason: compound word. Felix himself wasn't horribly wasted. He was sober, I'm sure.
I think Eric Wedge is marginally better than Ned Yost and Jack Z is better than Dayton Moore (for Jack Z as billt said, right process, bad results). However, being "marginally better" than Ned Yost should still result in a tarring and feathering. Matthew, also a blogger for Lookout Landing, sums it up:
For context, as of a few days ago Olivo was sporting a .353 OPS. Not OBP. OPS. The Mariners traded for two putative* catchers this offseason. Olivo's in the last year of a two-year contract with a team option for next year, which if it's picked up will cause me to ragequit the Mariners.I didn't watch the Philip Humber perfect game. I didn't listen to it or follow it either. Instead I spent the day at Husky Fest and then watching hockey and then in the company of friends pointedly avoiding discussing the Mariners. However, I was made aware that it happened and upon investigating, I also noticed that Miguel Olivo started the game at catcher. Against a right-handed pitcher and in a day game following a night game that he also started, albeit at DH.
I objectively know full well that I don't have all the information that Eric Wedge has and thus there may be reasons that he had to start Olivo that, thus explained to me, I would part in acknowledgement and agreement with Wedge's decision. That possibility exists. I don't think it likely. I think it exceedingly unlikely. I think Eric Wedge has "his guys" and he's decided Miguel is one of those even though Olivo is not — better not be — on the Mariners come 2013. I think there are a number of reasons that Wedge prefers Olivo. I think most of them are bad and/or wrong. I no longer care how well he performs at other aspects of his managerial job, I want Eric Wedge fired.
*Montero was one of them. He's adequate as a catcher.
P.S. Olivo, after reaching base on a FC, was just caught stealing against a very shaky Max Scherzer. This is with the no. 9 hitter on and two outs. I give up, Eric Wedge. You are every bit as bad as Ned Yost.
Eric Wedge was the Indians manager for many years, and led us to the 2007 90+ win season. After that, we went into rebuilding mode and the results were so bad in 2009 that he had to be released just to make a gesture. Now, much of his success can be attributed to the super trade savvy front office, but I still think he's a good manager worth giving a few years to see what develops.
Edit: Wedge also had a smaller budget (I think) than the Mariners. We certainly never would have paid Felix's asking price.
I googled "fire Eric Wedge" a few days ago and all the results were from his tenure with the Indians. I expect that will change if this all continues, or until he regrows his mustache. A good 'stache will buy some time :-)
Yu Darvish just had his best game for sure against the Yankees. Went 8 1/3 innings, threw 119 pitches, and a lot of strikes (struck out 10). Great comeback game; Texas had issues scoring against Kuroda so every run was fairly valuable. Nice job all around on negating the Yankees, even a shaky inning where NY had the bases loaded with no outs and couldn't score, or another inning where they got a leadoff double and couldn't score either.
--- Alan
The announced attendance was 23,000. Do you honestly believe that's how many people they played in front of that night?
Olivo is to Wedge as Bobby Ayala was to Pinella. Except that Pinella had to use Ayala since the front office wouldn't supposedly spring for another closer. Wedge doesn't have that excuse with Olivo.
The funny thing (for me anyway) is that MLB.tv works great for foreign residents, because we don't get any blackouts at all. I can watch every single Cubs game live, on my TV, my PC, my phone or even my iPod, for the same cost as a couple of months of Sky Sports. Whereas for almost everything else on US TV, being a foreign resident sucks - if there is a legal way to watch something on US TV, it's usually either really late or really expensive or, most often, both.
I could have sworn I responding to a more recent post with that. Sorry, carry on.
No.
I do believe it was considerably more than the 1,000 in the park for the first half of the twinbill. Which was the point I was trying to make.
Thanks.
Ah crap. James McDonald of the Pirates just lost his no-hit bid against the Rockies in the 7th (and also gave up a run).
--- Alan
Ayala probably wasn't as bad as you remember. His K rates were solid. His BB rates were ... ok. His HR rates were probably a bit high, but he also pitched in the Kingdome in a high offense era. He was generally an average reliever except for 1996 and 1998. The thing that stands out in those years is the left-on-base percentage (53.5% and 60.3%), which was way below the average for major league pitchers (~71%) and resulted in those seasons looking way worse than they actually were. His BABIP in 1998 was ridiculously high (.368) as well - .323 was his next highest and his career number was .308. 1998 was incredibly unlucky for him.
Edit: That bad BABIP was probably at least partly due to the terrible defense the Mariners ran out there that year. The infield had Alex Rodriguez and David Segui, who were both good (and the numbers back that up). Dan Wilson actually doesn't rate too well that year, but he was at least average. Griffey was probably never as good as people thought, but he was also at least average. After that, you've got Russ Davis, Joey Cora, Glenallen Hill, and Jay Buhner.
Last edited by billt721; 04-25-2012 at 12:16 PM.
Pineda with a torn labrum, said to be severe, surgery Tuesday.
Career obviously in jeopardy. I think Chris Carpenter of St. Louis is the only pitcher to ever recover from that surgery.
Holy cow.
--- Alan
I just found it odd that you would get all uppity about some random guy possibly misrepresenting how many people were in the ballpark, and then do the exact same thing yourself.
Further details on Pineda: obviously, he's out for the year. However, doctors say his rotator cuff is not damaged, and hence are "optimistic" that he will be able to recover.
Looking to defuse possible speculation, Cashman released a statement saying that in no way do they believe they got damaged goods from the Mariners. They say they got a completely clean MRI from the Mariners, that they believe this is something that happened during his rehab starts with the Yankees, and for this to be the result of something that existed when he was with the M's, it would have shown up in his MRI. Just one of those things.
Last edited by sluggo; 04-25-2012 at 02:52 PM.
Building around young pitching is extremely risky.
And I find it hard to believe any team would trade someone knowing they had that sort of issue. It seems like that'd be a quick way to ensure that no other team ever talked with you again.
Erik Bedard has done it at least once. Gil Meche had labrum surgery when he was first breaking into the majors, though his labrum might have been 'frayed' rather than torn.
Bedard is a good one, although I think the jury is out on "complete recovery" a bit; sadly pitching for Pittsburgh we may not find out for a while...;)
There were a lot of GM's around the league who were pretty pissed about Kenny Williams of the White Sox trading Sirotka for David Wells. They'd have been more pissed if Wells had done anything for the Sox.
Aubrey Huff put on the 15-Day DL for Anxiety Disorder. Uhh... what?
--- Alan
Yeah a couple have reasons have come to light. He did have possibly one of his worst games as a Giant (including a bad stint at 2nd base due to Bochy pinch hitting everyone under the sun to tie the game in the top of the 9th). But its also coming to light that he is in the middle of divorce proceedings.
Regardless, I would think this is pretty serious business. It can be fairly debilitating. Votto and Greinke come to mind as people recently dealing with anxiety disorder issues.
RE the Pineda news all I can say is that a lot of people wondered about his long term health prospects. Even after the Ms limited his innings last year. Glad to see Seattle on the good side for once. Seattle is a young inconsistent team, so Im not all that worried just a month in.
Damaged goods or not, the Pinstripe fanbois gotta be so pissed that they're on the BAD side of a trade for once. Although Jesus Montero hasn't exactly set the world on fire. Fuck you anyway, New York.
Actually feel bad about Pinero, though. The kid pitched his heart out for us last year, and it's a bummer to see a bright young talent like this blow his arm out so early.
The Albertross is 0-3 tonight with 2 strikeouts.
Artie Moreno may be slightly perturbed by that 0-19 slide, huh?
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