I enjoyed the back-and-forth between the two camps over the weekend:Originally Posted by Supersport
Team Obama: Mitt is either a liar or a felon!
Team Romney: You can't call our guy a felon!
Team Obama: Technically, we didn't.
Team Romney: Yes you did! Apologize right now!
Team Obama: No.
Pretty standard stuff, politically speaking, but both side either got to look morally outraged or at least somewhat tough, so a win-win. But it's amazing how well Team Obama has done keeping Romney on the defensive with Bain. I mean, he ran a legitimate business and was apparently very successful -- turning "Bain" into a four-letter word is right out of Karl Rove's playbook; you think the GOP would know how to respond better.
Yeah, THAT is going to be a lot of fun to see. Romney probably should have released the info back in the primaries so that it would have faded from the public's eye by November. He's going to have to release the data before November, and the closer it is to the election the more of a negative impact it's going to have, I reckon.
I don't get your personal Romney hate. Is it because he is rich or Mormon? Cheney and Rumsfield I wouldn't trust my dog with. Obama would be fine although you couldn't be sure if anything he promised to do he would actually do. Romney, he would probably just hire someone to watch your kids.
No, Romney would hire someone and then fire them for profit (somehow), leaving your kids uncared for in the process
He could have outsourced them and sent them to a foreign country. I probably wouldn't have minded that.
It's a combination of things that add up to someone completely divorced from reality. Mormonism and obscene privilege/wealth have a lot to do with that, coupled with an amazing amount of smarm and raquet-club appearance. I'd say the thing I hate most is the unearned paternalistic attitude towards everything. That, or his complete and utter lack of any moral or intellectual center other than his own version of extreme tribalism.
I take it you have a dislike for all people with money. You probably hate anyone who belongs to a country club. You must have really hated Kerry and Edwards, but they weren't Mormon.
I can only assume you have met Romney and gained your personal insight into him that way. Or did you you learn all this from watching TV?
Of course, I have never met Pelosi but based on seeing her on TV and the stuff I have read about her I really hate her.
I belong to a country club, as a matter of fact. I also have quite a bit of money that I've earned and saved over the years. I'm just not a silver-spoon finance elite multi-millionaire religious whackjob that will say anything to try and stroke my ego by being elected to high office because my cult-raised father told me I'm the chosen one to trigger my doomsday religion's apocalypse.
You want to know who I like? Warren Buffet. Bill Gates. John Hunstman Sr. and Jr. People who actually care about other people and use their resources to make the world a better place. Note that list includes two atheists and two Mormons.
I guess Romney just seems to wishy washy to inspire such a dislike. And his tactics seem no different from any other candidate.
Towards the end, a lot of Democrats really were turned off by Edward's smarminess and wealth, even before the whole Rielle Hunter thing. The $400 haircut, the frat-boy stuff, the ludicrously-large house. His tenure at Fortress Investment would probably have been as big a deal as Romney's Bain stuff is now, had he been the Democratic nominee in 2008.
But the thing is, Edwards started small and built his fortune; he was the first person in his family who attended college. It's tough to compare him to Romney on wealth.
Kerry's wealth was called out several times in the 2004 campaign. Unlike Edwards he (like Romney) was born to wealth... heck, his middle name is "Forbes". The pictures of him windsurfing at an exclusive beach were widely ridiculed. Kerry's haircut and patrician mannerisms were certainly called out during the campaign and he was called "out of touch" many times.
Kerry, of course, had the significant benefit of being a war hero who actively requested dangerous duty in a war zone when he could have sat out most of the nasty stuff on a nice, safe ship without lifting a finger. That tends to cancel out a lot of "privilege!" calls from the other side.
Kerry was actually upper middle class for the most part. Yeah, his mother was a Forbes, but one of many, so the fortune diluted quite a bit. His father was an attorney.
A lot of his wealth today comes from the fact that he married Teresa Heinz, the widow of John Heinz, heir to the ketchup empire. John Heinz was also a US Senator, but he was killed in a airplane/helicopter collision..
Looks like McCain did all the work for the Obama team back in 2006:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/78582788/M...2008-Oppo-File
Full political analysis of contradictions and weak stances.
What's the thinking behind the Kerry attacks suddenly? Don't they realize the Kerry lost?
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...ry.php?ref=fpb
Well that wishy washiness can inspire a lot of dislike. I mean when he says anything (or God-forbid smiles or laughs) it feels like an act. And not even a good act, like a really shitty waitress thats overly perky or a crappy used car salesman type of act. I wouldn't trust the guy to watch a hamster. He just gives the impression that once you leave he'll be reading your emails and looking through your mail.
Kerry had the same issue really, but Mitt somehow does the whole "alien pretending to be human" thing even better.
Cause Mitt needed to remind everyone hes the Republican Kerry. Winning strategy Mitt! People fucking loved that guy!
Lets compare Mitt's policy ideas to Hoover next!
Mitt Romney is slippery as all hell. Add in the whole shilly Morman thing, if you don't hate Obama, why would you vote for this guy? Really out of a hat?
Mitt Romney's tax returns discovered!
...in Kenya. Go get 'im, Birthers!
Ouch. "It wasn't about the taxes, we just thought he was a shitty candidate":
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20....php?ref=fpblg
I'm sure the Romneys are going "thanks for nothing, asshole".
I mentioned this in another thread, but I think that Romney has a real issue with voter turnout. A good example of this is this National Journal article on Nevada turnout.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-...id=site_search
The only reason to vote for either Obama or Romney is to vote against the other guy. Neither one has anything going for him. Romney is wishy washy, is not really even liked by most republicans and has introduced while a governor programs a demo would introduce.
Obama is hope and change. Right.
Going to be a long, nasty campaign. I know, what else is new. Neither is going to run on any record they have, so it will be 100% the other guy is an anti-American who wants to have the Chinese own your children, etc.
Yeah, Obama hasn't done anything for this country in the last 4 years!
Mind you, I don't support what he's doing to civil liberties vis-à-vis murdering American citizens or his weaksauce handling of Wall Street, but he has done some decent things for the country.
Which one will get me the best price for them? And will it include transportation or do I have to get them to Shanghai somehow?
Yeah, ya think?
Maybe I'm living in a bubble since I'm in Portland, Oregon and thus see almost no Presidential campaign ads (just the good ol' ones for things that you mostly don't need), but I'm fairly confident that Obama will win this one handily, at least in Electoral College. Romney's just not a very good candidate, and the only reason most on the other side are voting for him is Obama-hate.
You and Scuzz are whistling past the graveyard. Obama has a good record on everything except civil rights, ironically. Maybe the electorate has forgotten what it looked like when he took office, but as a true independent I'm well aware of how far the markets and jobs have recovered, and I think the ACA is a good thing. He's making rumbles about tackling the war on drugs in his second term and that's something I can get behind; it may even lead to tuning down the police state.
What Mark Hamill said, if you don't vote Obama you're insane.
There was a time I would have listened to offers for my kids.
I have read numerous posts and threads on here from Obama voters who have stated that they are upset with him, that he has not done what he promised he would do or that he has actually done the opposite of what he campaigned on, but that when comes down to voting for him or a republican they will vote for Obama.
I do think something needed to be done with health care but I don't know if ACA was the answer, and nobody will know that for a few years. And given that he has been in office for nearly 3 1/2 years I sure hope the markets are showing some sign of recovery.
I don't think that's entirely true. I think when it comes down to voting for him or Romney then Obama is a clear choice. Mind you, I'm having a hard time thinking of a republican that was running this cycle that I would have voted for over Obama (maybe Huntsman?), but the republican field was very poor this time around and they managed to narrow it down to the most uninspiring candidate imaginable.
Just because people will hold thier nose and vote for Obama doesn't mean they wouldn't vote for a good republican.
Re: the ACA, no matter which way you skew it's a great thing simply because for fifty years we've been walking past a pile of gears and tubes and saying, "Heck, no way I can make a bike, let's go do something else." Even if the ACA turns out to be significantly flawed, at least it has two wheels and a handlebar. It will be that much easier to tune and fix it as we go along, instead of passing the buck to the next administration.
And basically that is why I don't speak against it. Somebody had to do something as the system was broken. I don't know if 5 years from now my rates will have come down because of ACA but hopefully many more people have access to care that don't now.
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