There are no words to describe how fucked up that is.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe...=BN1&hpt=hp_t1
Harrowing eyewitness account. The killer had two hours to leisurely kill everyone trapped on the island. It sounds like the plot to a bad horror movie.
There are no words to describe how fucked up that is.
As I found out from my search on google maps there are several Norwegian islands that go by the same name. The island where the massacre took place is just 35 km northwest of Oslo in the Tyri fjord.Originally Posted by Dan_Theman
Fuck. Why? Why dammit?
Prediction here, sorry if it offends.
Either the bombing downtown was a sheer coincidence (unlikely as hell), or this guy/someone else set them off, as in two teams did this. If it wasn't two teams, we have One Guy.
One Guy who studied emergency response patterns around the world and decided he needed a diversion downtown, who planned a bombing himself. Which means:
One guy who went down to the bombing site, planned it out, made notes, went home, and build the bomb himself. Which means:
One guy who drove car bombs around either that morning on the night before. Which means:
One guy who loaded up in the morning with all these weapons, dressed like a police officer, and headed to the area this summer camp was in. Which means:
One guy who, dressed like a police officer, set off, probably remotely or on a timer, a downtown attack (was it a Labor Party building?), then went to a Labor Party summer camp, dressed like a cop, about an hour or two after the attack downtown, ensuring everyone would be freaked out and listen to a cop come towards them to be safe, because of "the attacks that just happened, kids", and then gunned down 80 kids before he was arrested? Which means:
One Guy is now going to be on trial for "Norway's 9/11"?
And the Prime Minister might have been there that day? And he's Labor Party, right? His office was in this building?
It must be more than one guy. That scares me, that one guy could do all that on one day. Both of took a lot of planning. What a supreme asshole.
This is going to be a very interesting trial. Are these guys EVER captured alive?
Last edited by Wallington; 07-23-2011 at 12:35 AM.
84 youths confirmed so far.
From the information so far I'd say its closer to a 4/19 (Oklahoma) more than 9/11.
Latest press briefing from the police stated that the Norwegian special response team "Delta" apprehended the 32-year old on the island where the shootings occured. Some witness reports also stated that they saw someone dressed as a police-officer park a car near the area where the bombing occured. It is believed that he then drove to the island and used the bombing as a diversion/excuse to get across, showing ID and saying that he needed to go across to check security at the island.
Considering that many politicians in the governing labour party have been involved with, or would even attend meetings themselves on the island, this would just give added validity to him, as a police officer, going to that island.
If a person is motivated enough, he doesn't really need anything but available sources to perform such an act. That said, he could've been inspired from other sources. I believe this is also what AQAP and similar organizations recommend their ideological followers to do, basically act on their own and perform their acts, being for the global jihad or for more domestic grievances.
Gunman apparently also shot after the people as they escaped in boats, or those who swam.
I think thats one of the differences between a Jihadi and other criminals / terrorists, in that the Jihadi wants to die for his cause.This is going to be a very interesting trial. Are these guys EVER captured alive?
Oh my God. Last I heard before going to bed were 9 or 10 confirmed dead, and that some more might appear as they searched the island. I can't imagine how 84 is even possible for one man. What could drive someone to be so systematically evil and disrespectful of human life? :(
I am so sorry for everyone involved in this. I feel sick. :(
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This one is presumably glorifying in the thought of spouting his ideologies in the courtroom.
Reports are starting to come in about a possible second shooter at Utøya. Nothing confirmed so far but several youths have mentioned a second shooter with dark hair.
What are the chances that he actually makes it back to society?
From what I know about Norway's penal system, there's a maximum amount of time that he can be held, and he's still a fairly young man. Not criticizing, my own country also has a max time in jail, though I must say I'd be in favor of life in prison for some crimes. This obviously qualifies.
Last edited by DarthMasta; 07-23-2011 at 03:27 AM.
He could be involuntarily committed indefinitely if he's regarded as a danger to society. And that's all I'm going to say about that, to not derail the thread.
This has really gotten to me this morning. I've not even been to Norway, but it's definitely part of the larger area I count as home (Norden, more or less).
While Norway don't have a life sentence as such, 21 years prison + 10 years containment is max normal sentence, while indefinite containment can be anything from a few months to life.
I am perfectly OK with this guy rotting away in confinement for the rest of his life.
Also, saw the Modern Warfare 2 and WoW tags on Facebook zoomed in on German news :(
I think maybe doing mandatory military service was of more importance for managing this, and right-wing extremism/paranoia had more to do with motivating it.
NYTimes mentioned WoW and Modern Warfare along with The Prince and 1984, but rather surprisingly didn't mention Dexter.
Turns out he played on my WoW server and was in a rivalling guild. Hopefully the media will focus more on the political motivations behind the attack and less on the fact that he played Modern Warfare 2.
Especially since there's a clear history of right-wing extremism and violence by them in the Nordic countries (at least in Sweden, don't know details about Norway).
I don't Think he'll ever get out.
As Anders said they can contain him forever if he's considered too sick or too dangerous to society - by law a medical board must review his condition after a set number of years, but I figure they'd never dare release him. Ask again in 50 years.
In Denmark we have the same lenient (compared to the US) sentencing rules and a handful og crazies who'll probably never get out. One danish copkiller (small time crook who killed 4 officers) spent 33 years in prison and his release was a big political battle.
The death count was a shock to wake up to. Like Anders this is gitring close to home and my heart goes out to my Norwegian brothers.
Witnesses from the Island speak of a second killer or the sound of shots coming from two places at once. Police are looking into it but details are sketchy - there's no detailed/convincing reports as of now.
Hopefully the police will find clear evidence either way in the killer's apartment, because otherwise it seems like it would be impossible to know given the situation.
Crazy fucking world.
Jesus Christ. My condolences to the victims, families, and all Norwegians. What a world we live in.
all those young lives wasted, all the pain of their families! Man this is just off the scale. I don't know what to say, but i feel like i've been kicked in the stomache.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259356
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259989
A right-wing christian fundamentalist. Jesus christ! I know why i'm so suspicious of the right-wing media now, they 'breed' people like this.
Though on a vastly different scale, this is hardly the first outbreak of right-wing violence in the Nordic countries, so I wouldn't attribute this to right-wing media.
Yes, that's correct. Perhaps you were thinking that my post was somehow excusing it taking forever for police to apprehend the shooter? I was talking about how there wasn't likely to be much if any security to distract so that he could gain access. 35 km from any main city is likely to mean very little police presence, especially around an isolated (as in an island almost 1 km from shore) campground.
Also do remember that this is of a scale unheard of here. Our local police is armed but this was on an Island with no police presence and violent/armed criminals are luckily still rare - and after a bomb attack on the government in midtown Oslo they were probably Busy calling in extra police including those in outlying counties.
Last edited by Hans Lauring; 07-23-2011 at 05:39 AM. Reason: Fuck you autocorrect
This is beyond monstrous. Those poor kids.
Yeah, it's difficult to imagine a clearer example of "presents a danger to society," so I think indefinite detention on those grounds would be pretty damn appropriate in this case.
This whole situation is utterly horrific. :(
I'm trying to imagine what it was like for those kids. To think of this guy sitting there, planning everything out for months. It just makes me sick.
sounds like the plot of a good horror movie to me, because it's scary as hell.
It's no more fair to blame the "right wing media" or a particular religion than it is to blame it on their gaming habits.
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