Agreed, it's been silly for a long, long time - since the price differences stopped being significant.Originally Posted by zombo77
Agreed, it's been silly for a long, long time - since the price differences stopped being significant.
So you think that 40m tier 1 battleship should be the same as that 120m tier 3 one?
Why would anyone fly the Tier 1 then? (Answer: most people don't)
5 mil vs 10 mil cruisers. Great, but you're sticking 40 mil of T2 gear on it, ffs.
I wonder if the Amar version will work well as a sniper.
So you are saying people dont fly dominixes, armageddons and scorpions? (all tier 1 battleships)
Every ship has different uses and abilities, some are useless tho and need a rebalance.
The battleships do a better job than most hull classes at balancing between the tiers, by having them serve different roles. You're right though, in that the Tier 1/2/3 imbalances are really just part of a general ship rebalance issue, where there are screwed up hulls scattered about.
Last edited by MrPerson; 10-21-2011 at 04:02 PM.
The battleships do better, sure. But half the cruisers and over half the frigates never get used by even slightly serious PvPers.
Very rare to see a t1 cruiser in pvp. Tier system is dumb as shit.
Aren't the T1 cruisers mostly mining cruisers? All the Caldari cruisers used to get used every now and then back in the day, but not sure if that's still the case.
It's not the tier system that is bad, its that most of the cruisers just plain suck.
Like the entire amarr T1 cruiser line just sucks, except maybe the arbitrator.
They are one of the useful ones, Caracal is a good anti-frigate ship, Blackbird is a great cheap jamming ship.
Caracal is Tier3 , Blackbird's Tier 2
The Tier 1 cruisers are Augoror, Osprey, Exequror, Scythe
I'm starting to wish that I'd get one of the invitations to come back for $5. But not of my accounts have received one.
T1 bcs suck dick. No one uses the ferox or the, I dunno, whatever the others are. Useless pieces of shit mostly.
T1 frigates are even worse. Other than the top tier in each racial group, they're all useless pieces of shit. The atron is a fast little thing, but a wet fart can knock it over so idk what you would do with it.
T1 cruisers mostly suck, everyone uses a bc instead. Destroyers are trash besides the thrasher.
You are not really paying attention to what am saying right?
Maller, Omen, Moa and some others are high tier ships and also pretty much useless in most situations.
Cyclone is one of the better Tier 1 BC and rivals other Tier 2 BC in some cases (active tanked cyclone is pretty good).
Brutix is pretty powerful but it's just a glass cannon and will be melted instantly (it's always a primary in most cases)
The other 2 are useless, except maybe Blasterox.
Those are all mining ships. Why should they be showing up in pvp?
It's (and the Slasher) are faster than taking a shuttle when AFKing around hisec. What a recommendation!
Last edited by Dawn Falcon; 10-21-2011 at 05:51 PM.
Actually the only really mining ship there is the Scythe, Osprey/Exequror could be used as RR/Shield transfer but any sane person will just use a T2 version.
Auguror on the other hand is used as a bait/cyno ship since it can get some nasty HP.
They are all useless in combat tho.
Ugh. I haven't played this silly game in months, and I'm not coming back, but none of those are entirely useless.
Every ship has a purpose, even if it's to be a target for other ships.
Maller has a use in PvP.
Bait for fail-pirates.
Tanked Maller is useful in some situations. Pospreys get sent out occasionally too. But yeah most of the low tier frigs/cruisers/bc's don't really have a role that isn't better filled by an equivalent cost ship.
Isn't the ponit of the T1 frigs/cruisers to be for beginners? They certainly suck for experienced players, but for beginners they have low sp requirements (well, apart from the odd dual weapon system ones).
BC with oversized guns, guys!
Say wormhole space gets a little more interesting:
* sniper tactics on WHs?
* getting more dps around while staying easy on the WH mass
* glass cannons with logistic support ?
* PI harrasment to bother them getting out of the POS shield?
We ll see and even if the tornado is just to fill up a place in my minni collection ... ;)
Why on earth should beginners have to sit in pieces of shit just because they happen to be new?
Besides, the best ship for a newbie is the rifter. Cheap, fast, kicks ass, easy to fit.
And why have an entire class of ships with fairly cool looks if their whole purpose is to be used once and never again? Wasteful!
The bottom tier cruisers should be reworked into viable repping ships. The mid tier need to all be decent with ewar. And the top tier should actually be competitive in pvp.
With frigates, a number of them need some specialization. The atron could be a fun poor man's inty if it didn't have all of five slots! Buff them so that they're viable and they'll see play! Plus new players will benefit too, because they won't be stuck in ghetto wagons until they can afford a drake (pve) or cane (pvp). Those are really the first two viable workhorse ships. At or below that tier, everything besides the blackbird and the rifter is a bad joke these days. Yes other ships see play, but if you max out those four you've got the four best, most versatile ships around.
CCP talks about a hybrid rework. We need a Gallente rework. They're slow as shit armor tankers with short range guns. What dumbass thought that slow and short range was a good combo?
In an active tank meta they don't suck so much, but the meta hasn't been active tank in years. People talk about trip rep myrms, but those fat bricks can be neuted out and killed or escaped with absolute ease. That's why they get no play outside of lowsec or hisec station games.
Sniping? Using the lingo of our times, "gay".
These things are practically begging to be used as high dps close range disposable murder machines. "throw me at the enemy pweaaaaase?!"
I love the concept. Scew the battleship, I want to roll out in an abomination of a ship.
The funny thing about doing a Hybrid rebalance as a "Gallente buff" is that the Rokh is going to come out of this a freaking monster I bet.
It's already kind of a monster, the problem is it's a shield tanked battleship.
Except it takes about a day to train past that.
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