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    Quote Originally Posted by instant0 View Post
    Sure it does. [offtopic]
    XBL is using too much screen real estate for "fluff" and it feels slow whereas the Sony dashboard is slicker and faster moving and more minimalistic.
    Rule 72: No matter how terrible something is, someone on the internet loves it.

    The XMB is atrocious and if it infects XBL I will be livid. I doubt this is going to happen, though, since Microsoft knows UI and wisely avoids anything resembling the trainwreck that is the PS3's interface. The 360's UI is far from perfect, but it is head and shoulders above the PS3's. There is not a single element of the PS3 I would want incorporated into any other gaming platform. I hope Sony starts over from scratch for their PS4 UI, but I doubt we'll be that fortunate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cormac View Post
    Someone on Facebook claimed their GT5 trophies were stolen. Is that even possible? I don't have a PS, so I'm pretty clueless. I would have assumed those work like achievements linked to an account. So a hacker could have deleted those, but actually stolen?
    No, because trophies are stored locally in the console, and probably are part of the data in backups.

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    Remember when Sony talked about the trophy room everyone would have where you could display all your trophies and go look at your friends' trophy rooms? Wonder what happened to that. Not that it sounded interesting at all, I just always get curious about features that are touted and then never come to pass (see also: VelocityGirl's T-shirt store on Xbox Live).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cormac View Post
    Someone on Facebook claimed their GT5 trophies were stolen. Is that even possible? I don't have a PS, so I'm pretty clueless. I would have assumed those work like achievements linked to an account. So a hacker could have deleted those, but actually stolen?
    You should delete this person from your friends list...like now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattKeil View Post
    Remember when Sony talked about the trophy room everyone would have where you could display all your trophies and go look at your friends' trophy rooms? Wonder what happened to that. Not that it sounded interesting at all, I just always get curious about features that are touted and then never come to pass (see also: VelocityGirl's T-shirt store on Xbox Live).
    It's in PlayStation Home, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad Grenz View Post
    It's in PlayStation Home, isn't it?
    If so, that would explain why I've never seen it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
    You should delete this person from your friends list...like now.
    Thanks for the warning, but actually he just commented on a post on a Friends page.. So hopefully I won't be further impacted with his wisdom...

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    This is soo cute :3


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    This article suggests that Sony knew about the lack of security before the hack. I don't know which is worse: That they knew about the weakness all along or that they knew nothing at all.
    Sony stock is down 8% this week.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattKeil View Post
    Rule 72: No matter how terrible something is, someone on the internet loves it.

    The XMB is atrocious and if it infects XBL I will be livid. I doubt this is going to happen, though, since Microsoft knows UI and wisely avoids anything resembling the trainwreck that is the PS3's interface. The 360's UI is far from perfect, but it is head and shoulders above the PS3's. There is not a single element of the PS3 I would want incorporated into any other gaming platform. I hope Sony starts over from scratch for their PS4 UI, but I doubt we'll be that fortunate.
    FACT [OPINION]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sander 001 View Post
    Agreed- love the PS3 interface.
    What in the world?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sander 001 View Post
    This article suggests that Sony knew about the lack of security before the hack.
    I think the article jump to conclusions. Hiring the right people, or giving power to the right people, is probably exactly the right thing to do. After the Anonymous attack, that was able to stop the network, it seemed a good idea to make things stronger against attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattKeil View Post
    Rule 72: No matter how terrible something is, someone on the internet loves it.

    The XMB is atrocious and if it infects XBL I will be livid. I doubt this is going to happen, though, since Microsoft knows UI and wisely avoids anything resembling the trainwreck that is the PS3's interface. The 360's UI is far from perfect, but it is head and shoulders above the PS3's. There is not a single element of the PS3 I would want incorporated into any other gaming platform. I hope Sony starts over from scratch for their PS4 UI, but I doubt we'll be that fortunate.
    I don't love the PS3 interface, and I'm sure it could be a lot better. But it's superior in virtually every way for my purposes relative to the 360 interface, which was never good but is now a bunch of tabbed advertisements and miiwannabe bullshit instead of getting me from A to B efficiently. It doesn't help that they've ported that format to their Netflix interface, which was unusable for queue browsing relative to the PS3's when I last tried it.

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    The 360 interface is wretched.

    I'm not about to give the PS3 any awards, but 360 could certainly take a lesson on streamlining. It currently demonstrates the worst kind of contemporary web design.

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    Yeah, I started with the PS3, then got a 360. With the PS3, as minimalist as its interface is, from day 1 I could always get to where I wanted and do what I wanted extremely quickly. The 360 interface was much prettier, but it took me a while to figure out how to find things and even then, I had to play around to figure things out. Yeah, I know, "But it is so easy!" - only if you have used it for a while. My younger daughter was able to get on the PS3 and do everything with no coaching at all from me - on the 360 she needed help.

    But let's not tangent off of the thread topic. Sony has screwed the pooch. I finally got my email from them this morning. It will be interesting if they give PSN members some kind of significant something for all of this, and it will be fascinating to see how they handle damage control.

    BTW, someone mentioned banks don't use username/passwords and secret questions anymore: both the banks we used in Kansas City used exactly that. Both were national chains.

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    I don't have much opinion on usability etc, but fuck me if it doesn't piss me the HELL off that the only one of those services that shoves advertisements in my face every day is the one I pay for. I'll take the XMB every day if just for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffL View Post
    Yeah, I started with the PS3, then got a 360. With the PS3, as minimalist as its interface is, from day 1 I could always get to where I wanted and do what I wanted extremely quickly.
    I think the PS3 interface is also prettier, as well as being more functional. But I prefer a minimalist aesthetic. The Xbox dashboard UI is a horrific mess by comparison.

    Got my email this morning too. Man, what a pain. Not a good week for Sony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abilio Carvalho View Post
    I don't have much opinion on usability etc, but fuck me if it doesn't piss me the HELL off that the only one of those services that shoves advertisements in my face every day is the one I pay for. I'll take the XMB every day if just for that.

    You guys hav AD'S on the Xbox? woah...Thank god we don't have that in Denmark.

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    Well, we have ads for new XBL content here but I don't see that as a bad thing.

    Anyway, I like that on the 360 I can anywhere and anytime press the guide button, up on the d-pad and A to play the game that is in the disc tray.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brakara View Post
    Anyway, I like that on the 360 I can anywhere and anytime press the guide button, up on the d-pad and A to play the game that is in the disc tray.
    Thats as produced a "WOAH!" moment in me:
    From where I am (PC, Steam user) your comment about a optical disc looks like from another era.

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    I think the $24 Billion is the assumption that Sony will have to pay for a 1 year credit protection service for everyone. This is typical in these types of breaches so the consumer can monitor for identity theft. I don't remember where I read it but somewhere I saw the average cost associated for that was $383 per impacted user * 75,000,000 users (we know it isn't unique users but it's good for a top end). That seems high, compared to the costs I've seen but using those figures gets you into that range. The numbers I've personally seen for that type of protection were lower, more in the $125 range. That still is quite a lot and not even involving the legal threats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teiman View Post
    Thats as produced a "WOAH!" moment in me:
    From where I am (PC, Steam user) your comment about a optical disc looks like from another era.
    Well, when I buy new releases I buy disc-based PC games as well (Steam prices for new games here are both sad and lol-worthy).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brakara View Post
    Well, when I buy new releases I buy disc-based PC games as well (Steam prices for new games here are both sad and lol-worthy).
    That is sad. Life is much, much better, without depending a piece of plastic with scratches to play videogames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brakara View Post
    Anyway, I like that on the 360 I can anywhere and anytime press the guide button, up on the d-pad and A to play the game that is in the disc tray.
    The thing you like about the xbox dashboard is that you can bypass it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teiman
    That is sad. Life is much, much better, without depending a piece of plastic with scratches to play videogames.
    Is it 20%-40% higher in price better? Sometimes that's the price difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brakara View Post
    Well, we have ads for new XBL content here but I don't see that as a bad thing.

    Anyway, I like that on the 360 I can anywhere and anytime press the guide button, up on the d-pad and A to play the game that is in the disc tray.
    I might have a much better impression of the 360 interface if the Quick-Guide were more like the Guide-Guide.


    Quote Originally Posted by CLWheeljack View Post
    The thing you like about the xbox dashboard is that you can bypass it?
    DING!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teiman View Post
    That is sad. Life is much, much better, without depending a piece of plastic with scratches to play videogames.
    One could flip that argument around and argue that it's sad to have all of your games be intangible digital assets which are only playable if Valve says that it's OK.

    Just saying. :)

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    Having a password system like what Kael described is what i have had so far, which meant i spent 1-2h yesterday changing the login info of my 'trusted' sites. Fuck you, Sony.

    As a developer, this whole deal is just appalling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teiman View Post
    That is sad. Life is much, much better, without depending a piece of plastic with scratches to play videogames.
    Since most retail games now also activate on Steam, that's pretty much a non-issue.

    Still if you are in Europe and buy games on Steam at release prices ... you either have way too much money or are a masochist who likes being robbed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarrenM View Post
    One could flip that argument around and argue that it's sad to have all of your games be intangible digital assets which are only playable if Valve says that it's OK.

    Just saying. :)
    That's a specious argument; your physical media is only playable if the company providing electricity to your house says it's okay. Our lives are full of these interdependencies that no one notices until they stop working. But how often do they stop working?

    I love downloadable music, games, and books and make regular and full use of them all. I haven't bought a book that wasn't downloadable in over a year, and I can't remember the last time I bought a physical CD. When I can I buy downloadable games. For me it's all so much more convenient.

    I do have a different relationship to 'stuff' than most people; I try to avoid accumulating crap that will just sit on a shelf for years, taking up space. I am not the sum total of the things I've gathered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarrenM View Post
    One could flip that argument around and argue that it's sad to have all of your games be intangible digital assets which are only playable if Valve says that it's OK.

    Just saying. :)
    Which is why I prefer Steam's competitors. If Impulse or Gamersgate got hacked , I could still play my games just fine.

    This PSN fail is why I worry about Steam on the PC. I've already seen moments where I was unable to play TF2 due to server strain (patch days and MW2 launch)

    I can just imagine a DDoS on Valve. (And yes, I'm more worried about a sustained outage then the CC fraud, all my online shopping is on one low-limit card, so I can't get hit too hard)

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    Quote Originally Posted by metta View Post
    That's a specious argument; your physical media is only playable if the company providing electricity to your house says it's okay. Our lives are full of these interdependencies that no one notices until they stop working. But how often do they stop working?
    My cable internet goes out pretty regularly in the winter. My electricity does not.

    Also, when my electricity goes out, I have more pressing concerns like the lack of heat, or refrigeration, or light. When my cable goes out, the primary inconvenience is that my entertainment is cut off.

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