Get a solid state drive. It made a hell of a difference!
At current I run on a core 2 duo E8400 wolfdale with a dinosaur of a geforce 6600 gt, which may about to expire, on a DFI INF P35 MoBo.
I've somewhat lost track of the hardware advancements in the last year or two.
I'm looking to get a complete new rig, somewhere around $1-3k price point.
Ideally, I want to get a combo with a lot of oomph, I aim at Intel/Nvidia combo (don't lecture me please, I know, I know...) that can house-break Derek's battlecruiser 3000AD and possibly bring Crysis to cry like a wimp as well (or Vanguard:SOH's beta even, to those of you who were unfortunate to remember).
In a nut shell, not the top of the line most high-end, but definitely close to state-of-the-art that can roar like a beast and deliver.
So any mobo/processor/vid/cooler/whatever combo recommendations (no OCing please, I'm a wuss) would be welcomed.
Get a solid state drive. It made a hell of a difference!
If you're looking to get a complete new rig I'd probably go the following:
570gtx (since you said you wanted Nvidia)
8gb of ram (2x4gb) - Allows for future upgrade to 16gb if you so desire
120gb ssd (OS/Apps drive) - Look at the new Vertex 3 or the Intel 510
I'd also look at picking up another WD 1TB Black and raiding those two for games/performance requirements if you fraps anything like that and if you need anymore space on top of that for media just pick up a low cost 5400rpm drive. It is most definitely worth getting an SSD at this point for your OS/Apps drive, and the performance gain from that alone is huge.
I'm not all that versed on the current sandy bridge mobos so someone else would have to recommend that.
The 2600k gives you the option down the road to OC if you want, and really it's pretty painless now to do. I have an E8500 OC'd with stock cooling and it took all of about 5 minutes to do to get an extra 20% boost out of it.
Going to compare prices around, but it sounds solid.Code:CPU: Intel Core i7-2600K Box MoBo: Intel BLKDH67CLB3 Cold Lake RAM: Samsung DDR3 4096MB 1333Mhz CL 9-9-9-27 GPU: Galaxy nVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 1536MB DDR5 PCIe Cooling: CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Plus Case: CoolerMaster CM 690 II PSU: Chieftec Turbo Modular 700W OS/D: Intel SSD Solid State Disk X25-M 2.5" 120GB SATA2 HD: Westren Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 3.5" 1000GB SATA3 64MB DVD: Sony Optiarc AD-7260S X24 SATA DVD Price Tag: $2217 USD
The sweet spot's for vid card and CPU today are probably the i5-2500k and the GTX 560.
It would save a fair amount from your cost, but you won't go wrong with the parts listed. I'd go for 8GB of RAM regardless. It's too cheap right now to go for anything less.
I have Core i5 2500K, MSI P67 GD65 motherboard, MSI GTX560 Twin Frozr2, 4GB of kingston memory. I overclocked CPU to 4ghz, graphics card to 960/4460 (super easy via MSI supplied application afterburner) and it runs everything at fullHD in 60fps. And was pretty cheap. With 3K budget though, I suppose you can go for 580 or even 590 : )
Stay away from the x25 and the Vertex 2's. Seriously look at getting the Intel 510 or the OCZ Vertex 3's as it's the latest iteration of the drives and the read speeds are pretty much double the previous gen, and faster write speeds too. You won't regret it.
Also get 8GB. The difference between 4GB and 8GB is absolutely noticeable from a swapfile perspective, and the added cost is completely worth it (honestly it'll give you another 6-8GB of free space on your SSD as well since you can easily push the swapfile to the HDD without worrying about it). Make sure you do 2x4gb, and anything 1333 is more than adequate as the performance boost over with ram faster than that is not worth the extra cost. Still leaves you open for future upgrades a year or so down the line if you feel you want it.
If you are looking to reduce costs at all, as stated by Paul the 2500k is very nice, and depending on the resolution you're driving the 580 could be overkill. ATi also has a very solid card with the 6870 but I haven't looked at price comparisons lately between that and the 580. The 580 is pretty loud from what I hear from a few friends.
Also, if you're in to it, you might look at adding a closed system watercooler for the CPU. They're relatively cheap now, gives you the added cooling and the ability to OC the CPU without ever really worrying about temps with stock cooling if you want to screw around with that. I've heard a lot of good things about them.
EDIT - I say this to pretty much everyone I know. Don't forget to check any local computer shops you might have in your area to see what kind of pricing they can do and what it costs for assembly. I know here in Vancouver there are a lot, and it's worth spending an extra $50 in my books to have some place local to dump the machine at if something ever goes wrong leaving you the headache of not having to deal with it. I know I'm at the age now where I couldn't be bothered actually physically putting the PC together anymore (done that enough over the years) and the shop I go to does a far better job than me at cable management.
Last edited by markv; 03-22-2011 at 09:38 AM.
Oh, well, lets not get too greedy, it's still quite the expensive rig. I think I'll be happy with not blowing off another $1k, aight? :)
Besides, for what games currently on the market, it's probably good enough what I bargained for (also, I need it ASAP because my rig hangs up due to the overheating GPU and I can hardly play anything least bit demanding).
And as said, my bad, it's x2 sticks so it is 8GB. :)
Not really planning on OCing. I'm very worried over heat issues, given I live in Israel it can get dump and hot here quite a lot, especially during Summer time. I'm also paranoid a bit over life span and OCing. ;)
Regardless, thanks for all the feedback and maybe the next guy in line can benefit. :)
I'll let you know how the rig functions when it's up and running.
Last edited by Foxstab; 03-22-2011 at 09:47 AM.
That's the v3 Pro. The regular V3 is priced pretty much the same as any other SSD.Originally Posted by Foxstab
Oh one more thing, and it's not something you necessarily have to add to your order, if you only have a single monitor look at picking up a second one. Ideally the same size/resolution. I picked up a second monitor last year and I often wonder how I ever did anything with just a single monitor, my only regret is it's not the same size/resolution, but it's not overly bothersome.
I love recommendation threads where someone buys the whole thing before the second round of comments come out. :)
Where are those prices from? I was hoping to keep it under $2k with a new highish quality monitor. I guess I'll stick with my existing case and power supply.
So you asked for advice and bought on the same day :)
You could probably have got slightly better value for money with the 2500k and a 570 - the top end costs quite a bit more for not much more performance. The intel 510 is available here at least, but if it's not where you are, not a lot you can do. The X-25M is what I've had in this machine for a while and it's very nice.
I also posted on several locations at once and the results were quite in parallel, so I thought it might be on a good advice. In addition I did some google-fu'd a bit looking at parts and prices and sent several shops with price proposal queries as well.
Quite honestly, this forum seems a bit dead-ish.
If I posted this on the game discussion one I'd probably be at 10 pages now.
Though, I'm not sure as to the credibility of the advice I'd get there (or that Tom won't be mad).
The $2k is from a local shop/importer/lab business that's not too far from where I reside.
Other places had a slight price variance, but they ended up in the overall more expensive.
Also, I don't want a new monitor, since 4:3 perspective is dead and I can't stand flat monitors as it is much less those shite ass 'wide'-BS monitors (prays to the heaven that this sweet 4:3 LCD won't burn out....if only my sweet 21" CRT hasn't bellied up...so young...).
Also the current Vertex 2's have one significant disadvantage - OCZ changed the tech process and they ship the new version of Vertex 2 now, which is, according to many, significantly worse than the original Vertex 2.
510's also have a disadvantage - new device, new drivers/firmware, no relilability history, etc. But Intel is usually good with reliability, which is something I am relactant to say about OCZ, which is why I would wait a few months before buying Vertex 3 once it becomes avaliable (in May?).
Last edited by Stridergg; 03-22-2011 at 12:46 PM.
Oops, you're right. Newegg has 510's in stock. I looked for Vertex 3's there, but not Intel 510's. I only looked for 510's on Amazon, where they're still "ships in a couple of months."
Also, OCZ got burned *bad* by their unannounced transition to the 25nm process with 64Gb whatevers. This reduced read/write speeds by a small, but noticeable percentage, but also significantly reduced the usable space on the drive, because the new flash cells have even lower lifespans than the old 34nm ones, so they had to set aside even more free space as "backup" flash for when sectors start getting worn down.
As such, they've now started differentiating the 34s from the 25s: 34s have a part number including VTX, while 25s have VTXE. Definitely worth the while to doublecheck what you buy if you go with a Vertex 2.
I'm trying to wait for the 3. It was rumored to launch yesterday, but that didn't exactly happen ;)
Although Intel did screw up the P67/H67 chipsets this year. :)
Here is a quote from OCZ's rep (posted on NCIX forums on March 9th - http://forums.ncix.com/forums/?mode=...d=0#msg2325104)I'm trying to wait for the 3. It was rumored to launch yesterday, but that didn't exactly happen ;)
The absolute earliest is March 21, probably more the end of the month.
Sorry, I read that 4GB -> 8GB RAM is a noticeable upgrade. Care to elaborate how is that? I have a 2x2GB, Core 2 Quad on Windows 7 Ultimate. No complains on the speed but if adding 4GB RAM helps in terms of performance, why not, right?
You'll notice it if you have any heavy swapfile usage happening. I tend to sit @ about 4-5gb of used physical ram on a regular basis because of my usage habits so it's paid off a lot for me.
One thing I tend to do a lot when I'm playing WoW is have it open on one monitor and a billion other things going on as well for raid management/tracking/movies/tv shows/fraps etc.
If you're a pretty casual user that only has 1 to 2 apps open at a time you won't notice much, but the moment you start to get in to any large programs that'll gobble 1-2gb of ram you'll see a definite difference.
I don't endorse RAID 0, however, and I say that after using them for a number of years. The performance gains in most situations are too negligible to be worth the added hassle and extra risk of data loss should one drive fail. [Though obviously you make regular backups, right? ...right?]I'd also look at picking up another WD 1TB Black and raiding those two
Regardless of being RAID or not, if your drive fails you're screwed. Be it a one drive system, or two drives in raid. You should always be backing up, especially with so many free or low cost online backup sites available, as well as cheap external drives available.
With RAID controllers being on pretty much every mobo now I don't see a real reason not to raid a couple of drives, especially as a gamer, to put non-frequently used games/apps on. Also the moment you might want to fraps something, or start to do any kind of HDD intensive editing, it pays off in spades.
Anecdotal evidence and all that, but let's just say I've had enough bad experiences with RAID 0 setups that I'd never use one again without a bona fide need for the extra performance (beyond "this goes to 11" bragging rights).
The beast is up. It's running. It's tearing away at its prey and munching the pieces happily.
Coolest machine I've had yet to date. Operating at a chilly 36'c.