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    Marvin Lewis may not be the smartest coach around, especially given the decision to return to the Bengals, but he's not the stupidest coach either.

    Herald: (Ochocinco) did send me a message recently about possibly playing with the Patriots. That surprised me…

    Lewis: “Belichick’s smarter than that.” (Laughs)
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    He's changing his name back to Johnson, too. I got used to Ochocinco.

    How much does he have left? He's 33 or will be next season. That's getting to be a bit old for a WR, although TO certainly had a nice season at 36.

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    His age isn't the problem. It's his HUGE ego. Much like many WRs. If you want Ocho, or Johnson, on your team, you'd better have the following: A winning team, a spot for him to catch 30-60 balls (at the very least) and the ability to manage egos.

    If you've got that, he'd make a highly skilled addition to your team. And really is less problems, it seems, in the long run than TO.

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    I guess this goes in the NFL 2011 thread:

    News is breaking that Fisher and the Titans are parting company. It is not quite clear whether they're calling it a firing or his leaving. Early details suggest they will officially announce this Friday.

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    Pax vobisum, Fisher.

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    Weird timing. The CBS Sports article says Fisher was forced to fire (or forced to stand buy while someone else fired) some of his defensive coach buddies and this is the reason. Makes it sound like Fisher decided the writing was on the wall. But it does leave the Titans with a big question about who succeeds Fisher. Now is not the best time to be looking for a new head coach.

    Edit: This Tennessean article is hilarious with the quotes from owner Bud Adams. To paraphrase, "Wut?!"
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    Sounds to me like the Titans are doubling down on their bet to land Andrew Luck in the draft 2 years from now.

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    Most of the big name commentators have spoken now and the consensus seems to be that Fisher saw no reason to return when it was clear this was his last year. He couldn't keep his assistants or get good ones when everyone knew it was almost certainly a one year gig. So supposedly Fisher and Adams are negotiating a buyout of Fisher's last year where he will walk away with a nice payout.

    So who's next? Who the hell knows, but Mangenius was apparently a candidate for the DC job so maybe the Titans will make an immediate mistake and go that route. Other rumors have metioned Perry Fewell, wonder Wade Phillips, Mike Munchak, and Gregg Williams. Hopefully GM Reinfeldt will be given the power to make a good decision.

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    Don't worry Titans fans, Mike Leach is still available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarkus View Post
    So who's next? Who the hell knows, but Mangenius was apparently a candidate for the DC job so maybe the Titans will make an immediate mistake and go that route. Other rumors have metioned Perry Farrell, wonder Wade Phillips, Mike Munchak, and Gregg Williams. Hopefully GM Reinfeldt will be given the power to make a good decision.
    Oh hells yes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarkus View Post
    Most of the big name commentators have spoken now and the consensus seems to be that Fisher saw no reason to return when it was clear this was his last year. He couldn't keep his assistants or get good ones when everyone knew it was almost certainly a one year gig. So supposedly Fisher and Adams are negotiating a buyout of Fisher's last year where he will walk away with a nice payout.

    So who's next? Who the hell knows, but Mangenius was apparently a candidate for the DC job so maybe the Titans will make an immediate mistake and go that route. Other rumors have metioned Perry Fewell, wonder Wade Phillips, Mike Munchak, and Gregg Williams. Hopefully GM Reinfeldt will be given the power to make a good decision.

    I don't think Mangini would be a mistake at all. I thought he was going the right direction with Cleveland. I live in Ohio and watch some of their games, and he did a lot with very little talent. As a Titans fan, I'd be fine with giving him the job.

    But I think it will be Munchak, at least for this season. It's not a very good year to try to change systems.

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    Who is going to play QB for the Titans? Collins?

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    No. Collins is a FA. I suppose they MIGHT bring him back. I'd look for them to grab a guy like Alex Smith or maybe trade for Orton or someone like that. Then they could draft a QB at 8. I kind of hope not. I like Blaine Gabbert, but he's the only guy I like in this draft at QB (at 8th overall anyway). I don't want to see them reach. And Gabbert won't be ready to play this year.

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    Does anyone know where Mcnabb might end up?
    I wish he would just go back to the eagles as the second QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Sharp View Post
    No. Collins is a FA. I suppose they MIGHT bring him back. I'd look for them to grab a guy like Alex Smith or maybe trade for Orton or someone like that. Then they could draft a QB at 8. I kind of hope not. I like Blaine Gabbert, but he's the only guy I like in this draft at QB (at 8th overall anyway). I don't want to see them reach. And Gabbert won't be ready to play this year.
    It seemed to be assumed from what I've read that Collins would be back in some role with the Titans, though Fisher's departure obviously changes a lot of assumptions. And Gabbert is starting to rise up some draft boards and could even end up being #1 overall by the time we get to April, at least in some people's minds.

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    Does anyone know where Mcnabb might end up?
    I wish he would just go back to the eagles as the second QB.
    McNabb is one of the guys caught in the CBA neverland right now. No trades can occur until a new CBA is signed, and McNabb is under Redskin control until they trade or cut him. And they don't have to cut him until the end of training camp - that's when the financial parts of his "extension" actually kick in. So he may be waiting for a long time.

    As for where he goes, my guess is Arizona or San Francisco, with Arizona probably being the most likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Asher View Post
    Who is going to play QB for the Titans? Collins?
    Wouldn't be too shocked to see Orton wind up there. Lots of teams desperately looking for QBs this offseason. More than I can remember.

    And I really can't see Gabbert getting to Tenn, at least not right now since he's the consensus #1 QB available... not with Buffalo, Arizona and San Fran all picking ahead.

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    Crazy to me to see Blaine Gabbert as the #1 QB in the draft. Look, I like the guy. He's a Tiger, and was the qb for my team. I've watched every game he's ever played in college...and I hope he can make the jump to the pros...

    ...but seriously, I'd be really, really leery of him. I would be thrilled to be wrong, but the Blaine Gabbert I saw at Mizzou has "bust" written all over him. The guy just isn't "football smart".

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    Nevertheless, he's likely a top 5 pick. I too think he'll be gone before the Titans pick. I'm just saying he's the only one I'd take a chance with. NONE of the QBs in this draft are football smart, IMO. Maybe McElroy, but he lacks the arm strength to succeed in the NFL. REALLY bad year for QBs, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Sharp View Post
    Nevertheless, he's likely a top 5 pick. I too think he'll be gone before the Titans pick. I'm just saying he's the only one I'd take a chance with. NONE of the QBs in this draft are football smart, IMO. Maybe McElroy, but he lacks the arm strength to succeed in the NFL. REALLY bad year for QBs, I think.
    I agree but next year's group, outside of Luck and maybe (MAYBE) Landry Jones, looks even worse. Maybe take a chance on Ponder or Andy Dalton in the later rounds. I liked Locker but the accuracy never seems to have come on for him.

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    I like Ponder, but his elbow surgeries are worrying. They'll do a physical on him, but how long will he be able to play? Dalton is pretty good, but lacks a high ceiling. He could be solid.

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    If I were going to pick a QB, I'd pick Kaepernick, from Nevada. He played in the pistol, but he plays just as well under center and in the shotgun. He's mobile and has good fundamentals.

    Also Ponder's quite good. Got to see him play this year when FSU lost at NC State. Not perfect, but certainly good enough.

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    The North's O-Line has been completely outclassed today. Ugh.

    And how is it Marvin Lewis still has a job in the NFL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woolen Horde View Post
    The North's O-Line has been completely outclassed today. Ugh.

    And how is it Marvin Lewis still has a job in the NFL?
    The answer to all of the Bengals ills starts with Mike and ends with Brown. Hankerson seems to have made himself a bit of money at the senior bowl, guess having a somewhat decent QB on the other end of those plays makes a big difference.

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    Titus Young also made a lot. Kaepernick elevated his stock too, from what I've read. I didn't get to see the actual practices OR game (don't have NFLN).

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    With talk today that the Titans are looking to trade Young instead of release him, I can totally see a scenario where the Cowboys would pick him up for cash and a high-round draft pick or two. It'd just be Jerry's style to spend first-round picks or something on a trade with little hope of actual fruition, but it's a big name, it's a local name, it's a guy with a troubled past, etc. They could just jettison The Cockroach (which I wouldn't mind anyway) and make him the #2 QB.

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    Most reports indicate that Jake Locker's status was hurt by how he played and practiced for the Senior Bowl. Despite that, I'm still seeing a number of mock drafts with him as a first rounder. In particular, the rumor from last year that Mike Shanahan would have taking him with the Redskins first round pick still seems to influence mock drafters to predict Shanahan will take Locker in the first round this year as well. I find that hard to believe, if only because even if Shanahan is still high on Locker, it would be stupid to use a first rounder on him if you can almost certainly get him in the 2nd round.

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    Locker may not last until the second. You can't count on that. But I could see Shanahan wanting Locker -- physically, he's a lot like Elway.

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    Locker will not go first, but he almost assuredly will not be in the second round. To be fair, I would not show up the draft hall if I were him.

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    All Locker needs is one team that loves him, and odds are the Skins are that team at #10. Though it could be any number of teams.

    Locker needs work. His high school offense was the Wing-T, where he ran all over the place. His first three years at UW were under Willingham, who was terrible and didn't develop Jake at all. Sark has had a couple of years to work with Jake, but he's also been busy rebuilding the team. You can tell how bad Willingham was when Sark played more than a dozen freshman in key positions this year, including two true freshmen guards on the O-Line. Many of the juniors and seniors this year were originally recruited by Willingham, and Sark felt he was better off playing freshmen. That tells you a ton.

    The thing is, there are teams out there that believe Locker has tremendous upside since he's received so little development. He's an incredible athlete, and his teammates at the senior bowl gushed about his leadership.

    And Locker didn't do that badly during the game. He led the North on their only touchdown drive. His first two drives look bad, but Solder and Costanza got completely abused on the O-Line, leading to pressure and sacks on Locker from the get go. The rest of the North's QBs had the same problem due to the line issues, and the North's running game was nonexistent due to the line issues.

    Locker finished with a 60-percent completion rate, and the scouts wanted him to stay in the pocket, which he did. Locker's first incompletion was a bullet to the TE that, even the NFL's Mike Maycock, said that the TE screwed up by not breaking on the route properly. He cut it about 20 degrees instead of 45 degrees, if he had done the latter he would have had the ball on the numbers. At it is, the ball hit his fingertips.

    Locker's second incompletion was the dart to Young. It was a bit high, but it hit Young in both hands. If the ball hits you in the hands, you need to catch it. Period.

    If you give those throws to Locker, he's 9-11 for 130. He also had a touchdown pass to Young that Young missed, but that was due to pass interference, and the PI was called by the refs. But the ball was there, and that kind of throw results in either a TD or a PI. Locker got the PI.

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