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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Bowyer View Post

    This is taking forever. I will concede defeat. I don't know that I'd say Pennington was the key to the whole season, but I do think his brand of high-percentage passing mixed with the Wildcat made Miami a legitimately good team that year. I don't think without the Wildcat Miami goes 11-5, but I don't think with Chad Henne Miami goes 11-5 either. Turns out it's more than just quarterbacks that win games!
    Another Pennington factor was his contribution to a record setting low number of turnovers for the season.

    Edit: Sluggo beat me to adding the turnover factor.

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    I am slightly drunk, but per BillD, I should take this time to say: fuck y'all haters, GEAUX SAINTS. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woolen Horde View Post
    This game is over, and dullsville.
    Not when you need crazy fantasy numbers from both Jimmy Graham and Victor Cruz to beat your brother... and you are getting them! Skin of my teeth but the last completion to Cruz put me over. Oh yeah. Sweet, sweet bragging rights.

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    I can't believe Graham got up after that spine-crunching hit.

    I'm also not sure how safeties are supposed to play the position anymore. By definition a receiver is defenseless when he's in the act of catching the ball. You're not supposed to hit him then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Asher View Post
    I can't believe Graham got up after that spine-crunching hit.

    I'm also not sure how safeties are supposed to play the position anymore. By definition a receiver is defenseless when he's in the act of catching the ball. You're not supposed to hit him then?
    Unfortunately, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Asher View Post
    I'm also not sure how safeties are supposed to play the position anymore. By definition a receiver is defenseless when he's in the act of catching the ball. You're not supposed to hit him then?
    Pretty much. They can still make a tackle on a defenseless receiver and/or try to knock the ball away, but wipeout hits on such a player are no longer part of the game under the current rules.

    NFL rules provide special protection to defenseless players, by prohibiting (a) hits delivered to their head or neck area by an opponent with his helmet (including facemask), forearm, or shoulder, and (b) hits delivered by an opponent with his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/"hairline" parts) against any part of the defenseless player's body (i.e., "butting, spearing, or ramming" a defenseless player.)

    Defenseless players are defined as (a) a player in the act of or just after throwing a pass; (b) a receiver catching or attempting to catch a pass; (c) a runner already in the grasp of a tackler and whose forward progress has been stopped; (d) a kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air; and (e) a player on the ground at the end of a play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammich View Post
    Pretty much. They can still make a tackle on a defenseless receiver and/or try to knock the ball away, but wipeout hits on such a player are no longer part of the game under the current rules.



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    So where did the defender violate that rule? He didn't hit the head of the receiver, and he did not lead with his own helmet. He lowered his shoulder and drove it into the player. Yes, his helmet then hit as well--I have news for the NFL, the shoulder and the head are are pretty damned close to each other, and if one hits, the other is probably going to as well.

    That call was a joke, ridiculous. It is flag football time in the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BennyProfane View Post
    That call was a joke, ridiculous. It is flag football time in the NFL.
    I have a hard time moving from "I can't believe that dude was able to stand up after that hit" to "of course that hit should be legal" so quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkozlows View Post
    I have a hard time moving from "I can't believe that dude was able to stand up after that hit" to "of course that hit should be legal" so quickly.
    So what's the defense supposed to do, let the WR catch the ball unmolested?

    That's a one-way ticket out of the NFL. In fact, the guys on the NFL Sirius channel were talking about this very hit this morning saying that it was a horrible call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackadar View Post
    That's a one-way ticket out of the NFL. In fact, the guys on the NFL Sirius channel were talking about this very hit this morning saying that it was a horrible call.
    Chucky on ESPN's broadcast was as well.

    In other news, Jack Del Rio's out in Jacksonville.

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    And yet Norv Turner still walks the earth as a free man.

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    Norv hasn't gone 14-2 yet. Spanos only fires coaches who win almost all of their games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon Clements View Post
    Chucky on ESPN's broadcast was as well.
    Until Jaworski chid him by reminding him that the smashmouth, hard-nosed players Gruden was idolizing there can barely walk these days, and Gruden subsided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkozlows View Post
    Until Jaworski chid him by reminding him that the smashmouth, hard-nosed players Gruden was idolizing there can barely walk these days, and Gruden subsided.
    John Lynch appears to be a fully functioning person at least in the broadcast booth, but I (and the NFL currently) do take your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon Clements View Post
    Chucky on ESPN's broadcast was as well.

    In other news, Jack Del Rio's out in Jacksonville.
    I think the owner wanted to clean up the baggage before selling the team. Which could be officially announced as soon as today from what I've read.

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    Suh is expected to be suspended for two games, reports Jay Glazer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon Clements View Post
    Chucky on ESPN's broadcast was as well.

    In other news, Jack Del Rio's out in Jacksonville.
    They also sold the team too it seems Jaguars Sold


    Also, I agree with the late hit penalty, while it was a brutal hit, it was a terrible call. I think they called a similar one when Hakeem Nicks got blown up during the game too.

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    And Suh gets suspended for two weeks. Seems about right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talisker View Post
    And Suh gets suspended for two weeks. Seems about right.
    Yeah. I wouldn't have been outraged if he had gotten 3 games but I guess that last-minute call to Goodell was worth knocking a game off. Plus, I would imagine they look at these incidents from a perspective of whether or not the other player was injured, which he wasn't (although he could have, he still wasn't).

    And I understand that you need to have an appeals process in place but it sure would make the league look bad to have Suh playing this Sunday against the Saints, which IIRC was Flex'd to the national night game. A lot of dads explaining why the big jerk from Thanksgiving is still playing. WELL, YOU SEE, THERE'S THIS APPEALS PROCESS WHEREIN

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    On the other hand, it's a teachable moment for fairness too. While Suh's actions were ridiculous, not all suspensions are as cut and dried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorini View Post
    On the other hand, it's a teachable moment for fairness too. While Suh's actions were ridiculous, not all suspensions are as cut and dried.
    Of course. And, sadly, I want Suh in the game Sunday because I want the Saints to lose to give SF a better cushion for the #2 seed :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_PeaCH View Post
    Not when you need crazy fantasy numbers from both Jimmy Graham and Victor Cruz to beat your brother... and you are getting them! Skin of my teeth but the last completion to Cruz put me over. Oh yeah. Sweet, sweet bragging rights.
    I lost in fantasy last night because the guy I was playing had Manning and Cruz. 57 points between the two of them. Damn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Contrai View Post
    They also sold the team too it seems Jaguars Sold


    Also, I agree with the late hit penalty, while it was a brutal hit, it was a terrible call. I think they called a similar one when Hakeem Nicks got blown up during the game too.
    Team not sold, team up for sale. Could end up in LA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuzz View Post
    Team not sold, team up for sale. Could end up in LA.
    No, the team has been sold.

    Quote Originally Posted by the article
    Jaguars owner Wayne Weaver announced Tuesday that coach Jack Del Rio has been fired and that he is selling the team to businessman Shahid Khan, who will keep the team in Jacksonville.

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    Multiple reports say the Jaguars' new owner will be Shahid Khan, a Pakistani-American businessman. Kahn previously made a bid to buy the St. Louis Rams. Kahn owns an Illinois-based company called Flex-N-Gate, which manufactures auto parts. The team will be kept in Jacksonville.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackadar View Post
    So what's the defense supposed to do, let the WR catch the ball unmolested?
    Actually, yes. That's exactly what they're going to have to do, unless they have an opportunity to make a play on the ball.

    Of course, there's a risk/reward there too. If the play is further than 15 yards downfield, the defender could still try a blowup hit on the off chance that it won't be flagged. Even if it is, the gain will be less than it would be if he let the receiver catch the ball.

    It sucks for d-backs/linebackers (and for purists), but that's just the direction the game is moving.

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    Colts fire their DC. The housecleaning begins.

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    Despite being an obvious candidate for relocation based on fan support, the Jaguars are locked into a pretty tight long-term lease that would make a move legally difficult and ultimately very expensive. That is one of the legacy's of Weaver's ownership, which is ironic since even he admitted a few years ago that local support has never been what he thought it would be. But the whole thing is somewhat odd, including the decision to extend the GM three years which means the new owner is saddled with the old management group. But the coaching change raises the question of what happens with Gabbert, the one first rounder from this year that hasn't really shown even flashes of ability. And if the Jags are back in the QB hunt, that makes the demand in this years draft for the top picks even higher. As bad as things have been in places like St. Louis, they could be in line for a very nice trade offer if a bidding war among teams desperate for Barkley and other alternatives to Luck.

    Whatever in Indy. Like its the DCs fault that team has looked so bad. I'm more and more on the side of the Indy columnist who thinks the Colts should start over from scratch, from the Polians on down.
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    Suh is a monster that must be stopped! Man, I only wish football was that awesome.

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