put your pee-pee in their hoo-ha
put your pee-pee in their hoo-ha
The Daily Mail?NATO troops dying to protect Afghan pedophiles?
Daily ExpressNATO troops dying to protect Afghan pedophiles who killed Diana.
THIS. IS. KABHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUL!"Women are for children, boys are for pleasure."
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My married friend who travelled in the Middle East for a few months said it was a regular occurrence to be offered gay sex from alleys and in bathrooms. Apparently the repression of sexuality for normal male/female relationships is making their society so fucked up that it's just easier to find comfort and sex with other men.
I guess one could just argue there are more gay men in the Mid East per capita, but the saying that keeps floating around (in Arabic, I'm sure) is "any port in a storm". They also asked him repeatedly what it's like to have sex with a woman and wanted to know a lot of inappropriate details about his and his wife's sex life. It's like a bunch of curious, sexually repressed adolescents in adult's bodies.
Here we just call them priests.Apparently the repression of sexuality for normal male/female relationships is making their society so fucked up that it's just easier to find comfort and sex with other men.
Are you saying only the previously sufficiently outraged are allowed to express shock and outrage at a previously unknown (at least to me) unsavory aspect of Afgan life?
Weird. Please let me know how much Outrage Grinding I need to do to.
Is this a trick question?The child mortality there is TWENTY FIVE PERCENT. Meanwhile, I'm supposed to be outraged by a modern implementation of Greek sexual practices?
I'm in agreement. Over the last year I've come to the conclusion that we should "declare victory" and exit.Additionally, "we're protecting them" is the same bullshit that got us into this mess. We are not "protecting" them. Our foreign policy is to quite happily support satan incarnate if it'll get our rich people some natural resources.
This is yet another incident of our completely embarassing ability to turn on and off our concern for foreigners like a light switch to cover our selfish bastard nature in a thin drizzle of hypocritical selective outrage.
Aaaaaand here we come full circle... what is your point?I'm not going to search for it here at work, but in primitive cultures it's somewhat common. Look at the anthropology literature on this; it's quasi-slavery + sex + cycle of exploitation, like the old societies where slaves would buy freedom and then buy their own slaves.
For the sex angle, I point you to the history of the minimum consent age. Also here.
Regardless of ancient history, exploitation and sexual slavery are worthy subjects of condemnation. Right up there with genital mutilation, honor killings and two and a half men.
It is a little surprising, vis a vis the particulars of a presumably homophobic tough guy warrior class' wide spread indulgence of this particularly odious form of pederasty.Obviously This Is Very Bad. But for Afghanistan's level of development and war-torn history, it's par for the course. None of this should be a surprise.
Well, pretty much exactly. It isn't normal to completely repress your sexuality.
I was thinking about starting a thread on this a few months ago. This has been circulating for at least eight months, care of Fox News.
I have a few doubts about the value of the Pashtun Sexuality Report.
1) The social scientists conducting the field work have been condemned by their peers. The Human Terrain Team/Human Terrain System program that produced the Pashtun Sexuality Report has been denounced by the American Anthropological Association. From the article I read: part of the AAA's problem is anti-military bias ingrained from the 60s and 70s, when some anthropologists [to their discredit in the profession] helped the United States nurture authoritarian Cold War clients. Part of the AAA's problem is less abstract: they fear that anthropologists' field work in HTTs is being used for military target selection, violating the anthropologists' code of ethics. This is an ongoing debate, but the denunication has had the effect of driving qualified PhDs away from HTT/HTS recruiting. Here is a Time magazine article on the debate.
2) I can't find any other declassified HTT AF-6 reporting. Maybe it's intended as propaganda?
Correct. On on angle, this is one of the least bad things about Afghanistan, much less our involvement there. It's that goddamn bad.
On another, this report is just the latest round in our hypocritical kill-foreigners morality play.
while we collect their body parts!!!!
That's incorrect.
Any hole's a goal! Amiright?
Mau Mau!
What angle is that Jason?
On another, this report is just the latest round in our hypocritical kill-foreigners morality play.
I really, really feel like a bad person for laughing at this gif every time it comes up.
If you say so.
No it's not. You're completely ignorant, and have no idea about any details of this practice.
The sex, surprisingly enough, is one of the least bad aspects of this cultural tradition. It's the sensational aspect that gets people's attention, but it's not the truly disturbing part of this.
The Bacha Bazi aren't slaves. That's not how they're thought of. (although there are elements of coercion in their existence) You don't know what you're talking about.I'm not going to search for it here at work, but in primitive cultures it's somewhat common. Look at the anthropology literature on this; it's quasi-slavery + sex + cycle of exploitation, like the old societies where slaves would buy freedom and then buy their own slaves.
Again, you don't know what you're talking about. It's not the age of the boys that's the most disturbing aspect of this practice. It's their objectification. We discuss "objectification" quite a lot in the West, but the Bacha Bazi take the concept to a whole new level. Plus there's the *amazing* level of misogyny that the Bacha Bazi are indicative of.For the sex angle, I point you to the history of the minimum consent age. Also here.
Really? So in the Congo (which is quite a bit more war-torn than Afghanistan could dream of) there are established and *extremely* widely practiced sex rings involving young boys? (and only young boys... no girls) These boys have a clear niche in the society, and absolutely everybody knows of their existence & it's even considered a profession of sorts?But for Afghanistan's level of development and war-torn history, it's par for the course. None of this should be a surprise.
Man... I know less about the Congo (and Niger, and Burma, and Columbia) than I thought.
Practically everything in Jason's posts has been incorrect.
Congo child rape has quite a few results. Not sure why it has to be boys to matter.
I'm not particularly sure what else to call children sold to people for services. I guess they're free once they get old enough, though.The Bacha Bazi aren't slaves.
Me too. But seriously, what is the source of that gif?
It's an edit of some Seagal straight to DVD movie and one of Uwe Boll's masterworks. Postal I think.
But it's still seen as rape.
There's a reason we talk a lot about it in the West, and it's that we've reached a point when we can. As for being indicative of misogyny, you'd think not letting girls going to school, women going outside without a man of her family, the acid in the face, and so on would be quite enough, I don't see why we need indicators of it.
Of course it's a fucked up culture, but to get all upset about it at this point? Meh.
This thread sucks.
Man, I don't approve either, but one thing at a time. Get the poor country some stability first, then start worrying about cultural reform. And from that Frontline special, it is already illegal, but it's as much a problem of police corruption and ineffectiveness and the power and influence of the ringleaders involved.
These things aren't separate; they're all part of the same nigh-intractable problem, and it'll take DECADES of pushing in the right direction to get anything tangible done.
I think the are issues that can be separated. Order and stability can be imposed by a ruthless enough occupier.
Doesn't work, ask the Soviets.
Jason, all due respect, but it's just such a strange assertion. Any region, no matter how divided, craves stability. Humans by nature generate hierarchical social structures with chief like figures. Afghanistan has seen two major proxy wars in the last two centuries. First the great game and second the Soviet American entanglement. I'd list the current battle with Pakistan as a minor conflict. Even in the worst of it local stability has survived. Chaos is not a norm, nor honestly is war in Afghanistan. Asides from the great proxy battles Afghanistan has been ruled by some sort of central authority for the length of recorded history. The lines have shifted, and the dynastys have changed, but the needs of society have always brought about a measure of order. We may be stuck in the mud right now but our difficulties, and our troubles, they don't substantiate that sort of claim.
Chaos is a society without law, without family, without any sort of protection and that's not what were dealing with. You make strong argument in P&R and I hate to cherry pick a line at random but it just wasn't one of your strongest.
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