12-21-2011, 01:50 AM
Interestingly, the Challenge Map Pack is no longer free for the PC, and now the Batman, Robin and Nightwing skins have been bundled together to save you money:
Last edited by nabeel; 12-21-2011 at 02:27 AM.
12-22-2011, 09:39 AM
Grrr, pissed off that I missed the free DLC. Guess it was a mistake and they never meant to give it away free.
So are any of the DLCs actually worthwhile? I've got an hour and a half to decide.
12-22-2011, 09:51 AM
It really comes down to whether or not you like the Riddler Challenge stuff. Because it is more of that. Playing those with Nightwing or Robin mixes things up quite a bit to make it worth while for me, but if you haven't played through that stuff with Batman or Catwoman then the DLC can wait.
Originally Posted by soondifferent
12-22-2011, 11:02 AM
So ... I bought all the DLC yesterday. And Steam says I have Robin and Nightwing. I don't have an option to use them in the challenge maps though. Do I need to unlock in the game or something?
Possibly relevant : GFWL deleted my old save game so I haven't finished the game yet, according to my current save file.
12-22-2011, 11:03 AM
You have to input the Steam code into Games for Windows to actually download the DLC.
Yes, it's a pain in the ass.
12-22-2011, 11:24 AM
PLEASE do this. My goodself genuinely supports your interest in more positivity, even while my snarkself can't wait to see the results.
Originally Posted by ibdoomed
12-22-2011, 11:27 AM
Are you sure? I have the new challenge maps and Batman skins (they work fine), just not the new characters...
Originally Posted by Giaddon
12-22-2011, 11:30 AM
The only DLC I have is Robin, and I had to go through GFW to get him. Someone else may need to chime in.
12-22-2011, 11:33 AM
I wonder if you can still use the DLC codes even without a Steam copy of Batman. There's a 3 hour window on the sale, right? I'd prefer not to check on this at work though.
12-22-2011, 11:36 AM
Originally Posted by WarrenM
Yes, you have to redeem your Robin and Nightwing DLC code in GFWL, then download and install the DLC from GFWL. Challenge maps and skins works through Steam.
12-22-2011, 11:41 AM
I am no expert but I am going to very gently... suggest... that the character DLCs (not skins or maps) would work, as I had to put the Robin Steam code into GFW, and the downloading/patching was all handled by GFW (I can see it there in my GFW client). Once I got the code, I don't think Steam was involved.
Originally Posted by Tim James
Steam may not let you buy the DLC however. I don't know if they prevent people from buying stuff that requires games they don't have to run.
12-22-2011, 11:44 AM
Ah OK, thanks! That is indeed stupid. I'll try that tonight...
Originally Posted by Storz
12-22-2011, 11:50 AM
Thanks for the tip. It didn't let me purchase it.
Originally Posted by Giaddon
That's okay, I have $10 of GFWL bucks leftover that I might never use otherwise. I'll hold out for a sale and just play the other characters in a few months when I'm ready for NG+. Right now I want to practice with Batman on the two new challenge maps.
12-23-2011, 11:41 PM
I'm starting to get the hang of Joker's challenge map. Apparently the key is to take out the dangerous enemy types as they appear at each level, using disarm or takedown. Try not to kill too many regular thugs because they'll increase the level before you have a chance to deal with the existing dangerous enemies.
The problem is every time you use a takedown, Batman loses freeflow focus mode. I'm starting to hate focus mode because it's such a crutch. It lets you get away with unsound maneuvers like directly attacking an enemy that's about to attack you. Then when you don't have it, you make mistakes. I'm working that habit out of my system by using redirect/dodge more often.
Now I mostly screw up toward the end of the levels. The most difficult thing is getting an ultra-stun on the titan. If you get the third cape hit just in time, it cancels any enemy attacks. But you'll need to dodge until you have enough time to do 3 cape stuns. At that point, since you've taken care of all the dangerous enemies, you can attack the stunned titan and simply counter anyone that approaches you. Just watch out for enemies attacking from behind the titan where you can't see the danger indicator.
One other frustrating thing is how the game priotizes enemies when you do a special takedown. Usually you can point into a crowd and it'll disarm dangerous weapons, or take down an armored enemy. But it's so hard to get it to take down the ninja chicks.
So far my best is 1.8 million, 354x combo. After all that practice I jumped into Penguin's challenge and got 800k, with a 355x combo. I think I can get both of them higher.
12-26-2011, 10:16 PM
I'm getting better at this, but I still can't get two max gauge bonuses. I get hit too often to really make a run for it. I'll have to get lucky.
I'm a little smarter about attacking enemies directly without freeflow focus. It's safe as long as you time it quickly after the last move finishes. You have to know the instant the game will accept another button press. Freeflow focus makes that easier. You still can't hit enemies that are extremely close. If I see one nearby I'll dodge over him first.
I saw another trick on YouTube. Use Bat Swarm while attacking the one-armed lieutenant. It stuns him and stops any enemies attacking you. Since you punch him so fast, you can build a 5x combo quickly enough to do it again before someone else attacks you.
I no longer restart the round every time I press the wrong button to lose my combo. I continue on as long as I don't get hit and lose the level gauge. It's less points overall, but the real goal is the 1 million points for max gauge bonus.
So far my best is 2 million, with a 399 hit combo.
12-27-2011, 05:08 AM
I saw a screen tip that said to use the quickfire shock on the one armed guys. I tried it out and it causes them to spin around and hit all the enemies around them. That actually makes the Joker fight way, way easier if you keep him alive and spinning for most of it...
12-27-2011, 06:01 AM
Both the quickfire REC and grapnel cause him to hit nearby enemies, quite useful. Going into freeflow focus and then using REC causes chain lightning (provided that you have the gadget upgrade), even more useful.
12-27-2011, 06:26 AM
Argh! Will definitely try that then! I wish the game was a little less opaque sometimes.
Originally Posted by nabeel
12-27-2011, 06:34 AM
That's good for the campaign but on the challenge map I just want to get it over with. The only risk now is that I sometimes press the button for Bat Swarm at the last second and it doesn't work. Maybe there's some sort of timing issue.
The titan is still iffy. Sometimes I think I can make the third cape stun (which stops enemy attacks) but most of the time they punch me before I land it.
12-27-2011, 09:13 AM
I did it! As usual, I seem to make my best runs when I first start playing. I'm probably less tense at that point.
3.17 million points. 413 max combo. I got the second max gauge bonus with less than 5 seconds left to go, so there wasn't much time to waste for slow counters and stuff.
That score is currently 14th on the PC leaderboards (Joker's challenge). There's one obvious cheater at the top spot, so call it 13th. I don't think I could jump more than 2 or 3 spots without getting a third max gauge bonus or keeping my combo alive beyond 500x. There's no way I'm going to try for that.
I'm going to see if I can hit 1 million on the Penguin room and be done with the challenge DLC.
12-27-2011, 09:23 AM
Gotta say, using Nightwing with the stick weapon is really fucking satisfying. The *thwack* *ping* sound it makes as it bounces off skulls is just pure joy...
12-27-2011, 03:03 PM
Got it. Here's the trick for Penguin's challenge room: don't do any special takedowns! That keeps you in freeflow focus mode more often. The armored guys respawn anyway, so you might as well leave them. The game automatically targets other enemies to preserve your combo. You'll only hit them accidentally if you attack someone on the far side of the room and then turn to see the armored guy is the only one in your attack "cone." Just dodge to take a different angle.
Also, don't disarm and destroy any weapons except the stun rods and shields (unless you're good at dodging those). Eventually the room will be so littered with items that enemies will waste time trying to pick them up. Just zoom around in focus mode. You have to be good at knife disarm though, especially if you're out of focus mode. It's a very quick attack so you can't always punch them before it lands.
1.7M points, 452x combo, 18th on the leaderboards. That combo was after I lost my original combo (when it's easiest) so clearly the best strategy is to preserve freeflow focus as much as possible. On the other hand, I think the best strategy for Joker's challenge is to take out all the special items and enemies as they appear.
12-27-2011, 05:58 PM
I said I was done but I had to try Catwoman. I forgot how awesome she is. She doesn't have disarm and destroy, but she's so fast. It makes it easy to try Joker's challenge over and over until you get it right. The hard part is the one-armed lieutenant and titan since you can still get attacked by special enemies. You can try the whip stun (R key, like Bat Swarm) but I noticed it was glitchy against the lieutenant. Sometimes he appeared to be stunned, but I still took damage a second later. There must be a bug. Be careful. You don't need to kill the titan to get the max gauge bonus. I'd try avoiding him and killing the thugs to max it out first. After you get that and finish the titan, then I suggest banking the points every time you hit level 4 so you don't have to deal with the lieutenants again.
2.4M points, 6th on the leaderboards.
I hope someone finds the analysis useful. Maybe people will find it through Google search.
[EDIT] For Penguin's challenge with Catwoman, I'm stopping at 1.8M, 7th on the leaderboards, 545x combo. No more!
Last edited by Tim James; 12-27-2011 at 06:39 PM.
12-29-2011, 04:12 PM
Alright, so I've been playing this quite a bit since I bought it a few days ago, and it's awesome. I haven't quite finished the story, so maybe this is a bit premature, but I don't think it's quite as good as the first one (although the first one was close to perfect, so that isn't saying much).
While I enjoyed finding the riddler thingies in the first game, they are all over the place in this one, and while I realise they're optional, I find myself wasting a lot of time trying to get them all. Some of the puzzles are not difficult to figure out, but difficult to pull off (for me at least), which I find highly annoying, although I guess that's a matter of taste. Also, I figured that the riddler would be more into riddles than puzzles, but his riddles suck. Anyway, I hope they cut back on the riddler stuff for the next game.
I also think that the side missions are a bit disappointing. I assume they've tried to create a more open world kind of feel (same thing with the puzzles, I guess), but it makes the whole thing seem a bit more disjointed, where the first game just fit together perfectly. It also throws off the pacing a bit, although that's probably because I spend too much time with the puzzles. It's not that the side missions are bad, really, most of them just seem to end rather anticlimactically (I'm looking at you Deadshot).
Finally, I don't think the map of the city is all that interesting. Most of the indoor locations are very cool, and compare quite well to the maps of Arkham Asylum, but the outdoor city map is kind of boring, in my opinion, although it is cool to be able to really do some gliding.
Anyway, those are my thoughts. It's still an excellent game, probably one of the best, if not the best, I've played all year, but the first one was just a tad better, in my opinion. I wonder if anyone else feels the same way?
12-29-2011, 04:17 PM
You're going to want to skip the review for this in PC Gamer magazine. It doesn't make a lot of sense.
01-04-2012, 07:56 PM
I was coming to the thread to ask the same question. Thanks for the help and thanks for asking the original question, WarrenM. :)
Originally Posted by Storz
01-16-2012, 12:47 PM
Finished through the main story line and have already spent hours doing the optional quests and Riddler challenges. I think it has turned out better then Arkham Asylum in most areas. Even after spending 20+ hours I still get giddy when I have to pummel bad dudes or zipline across the city or meet up with cool heroes or villains.
01-16-2012, 01:02 PM
The challenge maps still own me. And with the DLC characters/maps, I'm getting pretty much endless mileage out of it...
01-16-2012, 04:15 PM
I thrust game designers
I have died about 46 times trying to play the game. Is some flying test to probe i am cool enough to meet a npc dude ( demon test ). I think the game is tryiing yo test me and my skill with a control pad, but i have a keyboard. I feel like the only dude in the omaha beatch ( wwii war ) with a guitar ( wrong tool to kill nazis). Stupid me for buying this game.
01-16-2012, 09:02 PM
I just read it the other day and had to chuckle. Good ole' PC Gamer, how that rag survived and CGW didn't. . . .
Originally Posted by Tim James