Reply With QuoteI need to figure out if the cost of buying the IS4 and KV3 through gold conversion nearer patch date is less than the cost of a Lowe+time spent grinding from now until then.
Essentially, you have to buy a premium tank, preferably a Lowe or T34 or a Type 59. All of these make scads of credits, with even losses making a profit. Gross revenues above 100k are not uncommon for good matches.Originally Posted by playingwithknives
I need to figure out if the cost of buying the IS4 and KV3 through gold conversion nearer patch date is less than the cost of a Lowe+time spent grinding from now until then.
Keep in mind that 12500 gold for the Lowe gets you a gift that keeps on giving, while conversion is gone with the wind...
Here is one way to think about it.
Let's say you are considering buying the Lowe for 12,500 gold. Obviously, if you want to buy a premium tank to grind credits, you should also have a premium account (you can do without it but then it will take the prem tank longer to pay for itself), let's 1 month, which costs 2,500. In total you need 15,000.
If you simply buy credits with this amount (400 credits per 1 gold), you'll get 6,000,000 credits.
While it's highly individual but, on average, you should net about 40K credits per match with the Lowe. Which means it will take about 150 matches for Lowe to pay for itself and start earning "profit".
Think how much you are playing. If you play 30 matches a week, it will take you 5 weeks of playing nothing but Lowe to get those 6 mil. If you play 10 matches a day, it will only take a couple of weeks.
Also see if you have enough time until "end of april" to get the necessary credits before the next patch.
IMO, buying credits with gold saves time but is expensive and is a very short term solution. Buying a prem tank is kind of a long term investment, if you are planning to play for a long time, prem tank will keep paying. 150 fights is nothing to be honest, especially in a good competitive tank. Ever since I bought my Type 59, I played probably close to 500 matches in it, that's A LOT of millions credits earned.
And don't forget, you can use a prem tank to train any crew of the same nationality.
What he says. I really enjoy my T34 and my Type 59, and so making credits is hardly a grind.
Except I'm sure that the Type 59 is much more enjoyable than playing the Lowe or KV-5, and they no longer sell it. Unless some magic happened that I missed reading.
Sick to death of my Lowe and I still have some 12m credits to gather.
Hehe, everything gets old eventually, I am sick to death of all my tanks pretty much and can't wait for Diablo 3 and Guild Wars 2 to switch to them "long term". :)
You are right, they no longer sell the Type. I wouldn't say it's "much more enjoyable though", it's different from the Lowe (or anything else) but both can be enjoyable based on your preferences. Some people simply like heavies more than meds. There are lots of tanks I like better than my Type, the Type is my only premium tank though.
Like any tank though, Lowe requires smart playing, it's not an OP monster (only newly introduced tanks are usually the OP monsters until the next patch :)) but it's a very very good tank at what it's supposed to do.
All I meant is it would be nice to switch from the Lowe to the 59 back and forth for a change of pace instead of grinding all that out in just one type of tank. Occasionally, you just wanna go fast. :)
So, is there any chance of that deadline being met? I am not looking forward to losing the current incarnation of the KV, and I am also trying to decide if it makes sense to attempt to make it into an IS-4 before patch day.
There's a chance, I guess, but they're aren't good at hitting target dates. I wouldn't count on it.
I don't think there is a chance. Usually there is about a couple of weeks between the start of open testing on the Russian server and patch release. Sometimes more. Today is 18th and the test hasn't started yet, so my guess would be "early May".
But who knows.
Yeah, I too am going to miss the KV "King of the Battlefield"
I've been going back-and-forth over whether they should have just removed the 107 and kept the KV-2 with the 152 as an alternate Tier V heavy, which (I believe) was the original plan.
I don't find the Derp to be particularly overpowered, and I enjoy it a lot. The Derp KV is one of the few situations where I consciously play a (slightly) less powerful tank because it makes for more interesting games.
I do too, but i find the derp doesnt scale well. Whereas the 107 can still dmg tier10 with a good shot. There's no other tier 5 that can do that, and most 6s cant either...
That's basically my point. I've been alternating between using the 107 and the 122 on the KV-3, and I think both are real and viable choices, so I don't think that the 107-armed KV-2 will be under-powered as a Tier VI heavy.
But, unless they change the gun stats, I worry that the 152-armed KV-2 won't be competitive as a Tier VI heavy. Which is a real shame, since the 152 is a lot of fun, is (relatively) unique from a game mechanics standpoint, and is the historic armament of the KV-2.
Have they changed what they're planning to do with the KVs? I don't follow patch news much so the last I heard they were going to split the KV into the 1 and 2 but keep them as T5 and move the KV-3 up to T7 or something.
I hope they don't break them too much since the KVs are my favorite tanks. Or maybe the Russian 107 is my favorite gun, since I use it on my KV, KV-3, and SU-85 to pretty reliably penetrate any tank in the game.
That was certainly the original plan, back when I first heard about the changes.
I don't speak Russian, and I try not to follow the (cesspit) official forums, but one of the more recent (most recent?) tech tree images places the KV-2 at Tier VI. Hence the concern.
Not sure what was the original plan but it looks like the KV2 is going to be a tier 6 tank.
http://worldoftanks.com/news/452-ful...-and-improved/
Hmm, I've heard that before, but they still haven't done it yet. Makes me almost wonder if they do it just so that I'll keep all these tanks in my garage. That's not actually why I have them all, but if all those proposed changes went through, my garage size would almost double, since I have a KV, a KV3 and a Panther, and might even be able to get a PantherII before that patch comes out.
sorry to rain on your parade bro, but that ship has already sailed. The introduction of the E series tanks has happened like 4 months ago. Panther tanks aint gonna make little panther babies like kv's are about to do :)
Hmm, I've had my Panther in my garage forever, has the E-50 made it to the american servers?
E-50s have been in the game a long time now.
The IS-8 is going to come before the IS-7 now? It was hard enough to remember tank names and their tier before; now they're definitely fucking with me.
Last edited by Hanacker; 04-18-2012 at 06:11 PM.
Am I correct in understanding that in order to get the free tank and garage slot I need to have the KV in my garage, not just researched?
I sure hope so, as I've been driving mine for a while now :).
KV + KV-2 turret in garage = get KV-1 and KV-2
KV-3 in the garage = get KV-3 and T-150
IS-4 in the garage = get IS-4 and IS-8
Thanks for advice above re: premium tanks. I didn't mention i already have tanks more fun to play than Lowe (IS-3) and Type59 (T-54), ten months of a years premium and also a PZ V/VI for farming, which whilst doesn't bring in silver like the Lowe and Type59, has a half decent income. I think my limited time played might work out a more important factor in the end. Might well buy one if they are ever on sale for long term silver income.
One of the huge benefits of a tank like a T34 is that even if you die in the first few seconds of a match, you probably will not lose money. Given how much you can lose on any top tier vehicle that isn't a premium, the premium tank's ability to both make money and not lose money is a powerful incentive. But as you note, if you don't like playing them, it may not be worth your time.
Another benefit of premium tanks is that most of the time they get preferencial treatment from the matchmaker. While the devs recently expanded prem tanks' "level brackets", they are still much more likely to be at the top than regular tanks.
Hehe, playingwithknives, sorry for piling up all these benefits on you but the devs really did their homework to make prem tanks very attractive. :)
My friends and I finally all got our Lorraines and tried running with 3 of them in a platoon. Holy cow that was crazy, that's A LOT of very mobile and concentrated firepower. The only match we lost was near the end of the evening when we got really cocky, were overpowered 2 to 1 by tier 9 and 8 meds and had no support from the rest of the team on our flank. Should have played that one differently but we were like "who cares, let's just go and kill them all!". Lol.
I'm still baffled by the French tanks, really. My AMX 50 100 takes 50+ seconds to reload after its six shot magazine is empty. A minute is a looooong time on the battlefield, so figuring out how to manage that interval is proving challenging. Still, it's better than the tank that preceded it....
Well, it depends on what you are doing while reloading, really. Sometimes (either due to my mistake or the situation developed like that) I get cornered and can't relocate while reloading and reloading seems to take forever in these situations. More often though, I use the reloading time to move to a more advantageous position and it actually takes a fair amount of time. I never thought it can take almost a minute to go around a bigger block in Ruinberg or from the bridge area to the enemy base in Mountain Pass (IIRC the map's name) but I notice it now when I have a reference point (long reload time on French tanks).
In short, I think over time one develops a habit of using this long reloading time to his advantage and it doesn't feel that long anymore. Even on Lorraine that has the longest reloading time with its 100 mm gun IIRC.
Sometimes I think it would be advantageous for a normal tank to recognise when it is time to back away and live to fight another day where you have better odds, instead of staring into the headlights of that oncoming heavy tank you have at best a 50/50 chance of maybe killing before he stomps the daylights out of you and BEST case scenario you end up limping around with 10% health left.
I am slowly feeling the more you can think you need to be ruthless and only engage in utterly one sided confrontations of 2 v 1 (or 3v1 or 4 v1) or flanking and rear shooting an already engaged opponent the better.
So an enforced 1 minute cool down to go and seek those ruthless odds seems OK.
