I don't think Japan has more than 15-20 Chinooks for the whole country. Heavy airlift-capable helicopters are expensive to buy and operate, maintenance intensive, dangerous to operate and as a result even rich developed nations don't generally have very many of them. It's not surprising that the Japanese are having logistical issues, I'm not even sure how much of their capability got knocked out by the tsunami.
But maybe youīre right and they did everything they could. I will be the first one who will admit that I made a fool out of myself. Actually I hope that my worries about the whole situation are nothing else than german angst (maybe the second trait for Civ6?)
Last edited by Odovacar; 03-17-2011 at 09:59 AM. Reason: spelling
The helicopters are still needed to drop off supplies to the people in the shelters, evac the sick and search for the missing. The infrastructure is still shitty in the tsunami hit areas.
Originally Posted by http://twitter.com/martyn_williams
Sorry if this is a repeat, video shot from a car when the tsunami hit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7IL37t7Wjg
First, it focuses on the reactors which are in the containment housing, which are just one problem. Another problem is with the spent fuel rods, which are not in the containment housing. That's why there are calls for Japan to pursue the "Chernobyl" option, which was to use choppers to pour sand/concrete/barium over the facilities and entomb them.
Furthermore, his radiation estimates seem to be quite off. He said the radiation spike was 8,000 microsieverts. If the radiation was that low, why would Japan have cleared out all the workers and why wouldn't they be able to get closer to the reactors? It doesn't make sense. Of course, estimates I've read elsewhere said there's been a peak of 400 millisieverts per hour on the inland side of unit 3, not 8,000 microsieverts. The conversion factor for this is 1 mSv (millisieverts) = 1,000 μSv (microsieverts). So it appears he's understated the amount of radiation by a factor of 50.
If these two critical things are incorrect, pretty much that entire blog post is useless.
Last edited by Blackadar; 03-17-2011 at 09:57 AM.
New footage from the helicopter of the reactors. Shaky, but its some of the best views yet of how f'ed up those buildings are.
EDIT - bah! Missed the link above. Sorry about the duplicate.
I'm sure the Japanese are doing everything they can, but I do wonder if the view longer-term will be that they should have asked for outside help sooner. Hopefully we don't find out that they had a very realistic understanding of what they were facing early on but hoped they could handle things.
If the Japanese stock market is crashing, why is the Yen just getting stronger compared to the dollar? It's below 80 yen per dollar now.
Investors, on the other hand, hate risk. That's why stocks are crashing.
Nope. Good internet naysayer routine, though.If these two critical things are incorrect, pretty much that entire blog post is useless.
I'm sorry Matt, but how does PEN know that it's only the fins of the fuel rods that are partially melted? Where did that come from? And why is there nothing about the 400 mSv radiation spike that was reported days ago?
I want to agree, that everything is going to turn out ok, but there are some obvious inconsistencies.
Originally Posted by plainnuclearenglishhttp://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/...iupdate01.htmlOriginally Posted by IAEA
Holy shit the blogger really does claiming this?!Originally Posted by plainnuclearenglish
Originally Posted by IAEA
Originally Posted by plainnuclearenglishhttp://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp...1031604-e.htmlOriginally Posted by TEPCO Mar 16,2011
Originally Posted by plainnuclearenglishhttp://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p...w/tw_5390.htmlOriginally Posted by Department of State March 16, 2011
Last edited by Odovacar; 03-17-2011 at 02:48 PM.
I kind of agree with caesarbear in that I'm not as optimistic as that scientist althought I'd like to be, except for the panic on the West Coast bit which I believe most of us here have already dismissed as silliness. My concern is for the Japanese people, and it keeps seeming like a lot of people who have a gazillion times more knowledge than myself on the subject are weighing in on the issue and seem to be unable to come up with a consensus.
Yeah, could be.Originally Posted by plainnuclearenglish
Originally Posted by CNN
Remember my worst-case prediction from yesterday? I just didnít have enough imagination. I didnít expect any problems with the fuel pools. (No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!) But itís still not panic time, people! No one in the US is in any danger at all. The public near the reactors in Japan will probably get a dose, yes Ė but from everything Iím reading, I currently expect that dose to be way under anything that would cause lasting health effects, and certainly not to the level of radiation sickness. Itís the workers who are bearing the worst of it; conditions there at the plant keep changing rapidly, and the dose rate there on the site is going up and down but is high enough that they generally canít work for long.
So apparently unit two is now on fire. Great. They just can't catch a break.
I originally read about it in the Seattle Times online page, but the headline now links to completely different AP article. I'm not sure if that means the story has changed or what.