Reply With QuoteThey're evacuating +8 towns / villages due to radiation levels...
http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/l...stream3&hpt=T1
That is the stream I'm watching.
They're evacuating +8 towns / villages due to radiation levels...
reported 400 mSv (that's bad)
Yes, the operators would be protected but if you got that much without protection you will lose fertility and other effects. There is not supposed to be anyone unprotected (civilians) within 20km of the plants at this time.Originally Posted by caesarbear
The 30km people can't take any laundry they have outdoors indoors. They cannot ventilate or have open windows. Do not use air conditioning! they are saying.
You must dust off your hair and clothes before going inside.
When you look up "bad predictions" in the dictionary, you're gonna see this guy now.
That von Hippel guy all over the news.
It's really unsettling to see blast-radius style graphics on the NHK feed.“It’s way past Three Mile Island already,” said Frank von Hippel, a physicist and professor at Princeton. “The biggest risk now is that the core really melts down and you have a steam explosion.”
The fire is spreading radiation and the fire fighters are wearing protective clothing otherwise they would be exposed to the 400 msv levels of radiation. This situation is now considered to be the most serious between the four reactors discussed so far.
So, all these problems are about a reactor that wasn't even active, while the emergence was on reactor 2.
What's going on in reactor 2 I wonder. It seems there's no way to keep things stable in the longer term, shit is only piling up.
I'd run/dive like hell out of there if I was anywhere near the 30km range.
Is there a summary on the status of the different reactors / plants available anywhere? Each time a reactor number is referenced, I'm unsure if that is an actual separate plant, or if multiple reactors are all in the same place.
Clearly these Japanese firefighters and engineers are incompetent, right Lorini?
To correct myself - I found the quote I was looking for. Seems I might have had my odds reversed...
From the Washington Post:
In 1986, a top official at the Nuclear Regulatory Commission raised concerns about the GE containment system’s design.“I don’t have the same warm feeling about GE containment that I do about the larger dry containments,’’ said Harold Denton, director of NRC’s Office of Nuclear Reactor Regulation during an industry conference, according to a report at the time by the publication, Inside N.R.C. “There has been a lot of work done on those containments, but Mark I containments . . . you’ll find something like a 90 percent probability of that containment failing.’’
Reactors 1, 2, and 3 are currently being cooled and they believe the cooling is working. That's all that I heard.
Can't see the news right now. What happened that the radiation went up so drastically? Is that around reactor 2 or the new fire at reactor 4?
The fire at 4 is causing the radiation spike.
The main NHK anchor seems very visibly disturbed. It was almost farcical the way she tried to do the normal broadcast hand off to their business anchor. Sad. :(
Uh oh.
Two sources told NBC News' Robert Bazell that the blast breached the containment structure and that radiation had leaked out.
Yes, but that breach was at reactor 2, which apparently is not the source of the high radiation they are experiencing now. The fire at reactor 4 is the current crisis and where the source of the high radiation is at. reactor 4 was actually not operating at the time of the earthquake but from what I can discern, it still needed cooling and the fire was caused by a hydrogen leak.
They have acknowledged since mid day (my time) that the reactors have melted down at least partially. The problem is that 'meltdown' is not a very good scientific/engineering term. Apparently a reactor can melt down but still be contained. That is what they are hoping has/will happen.
Ok so all of the nuclear-based problems have been from the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant correct? Weren't there about 5 other plants that were experiencing difficulties? Has any news come out about them or has everything been focused on Fukushima?
edit:
Ok so it seems that according to the above msnbc article, Japan has 55 reactors, not 55 plants - the 55 reactors are organized into 17 complexes/plants. So I'm guessing that each nuclear emergency that was declared earlier was for individual reactors.
Last edited by Blips; 03-14-2011 at 08:11 PM.
Also this statement in that article is not correct according to the translators of the live conference:
He said nothing about radiation sickness. He said risk of exposure to radiation that would be harmful to humans. There's a bit of a distance to go between 'harmful to humans' and 'radiation sickness'.The prime minister has warned residents to stay inside or risk getting radiation sickness.
Seeing rumors on comment threads of a stock market crash in progress on the Nikkei, not sure where they're getting that from.
So they are fairly confident they have a breached containment vessel with #2 - and #4 reactor building is damaged and on fire. The radiation levels at the site are now high enough to be dangerous to human health.
They also don't know why the radiation levels at the site are going up and down dramatically, and if the releases are primarily liquid or gas.
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Also NHK reports the spent fuel pool has no roof anymore, has no active cooling, and they do not know the state of the fuel within the pool. It also has no containment vessel. At all. But hey - at least the helicopters can dump coolant on it now.
Jesus.
Sadly it's faked. Yes, a hot Slavic girl running full tilt on her motorcycle through the nuclear wastes is, in fact, too good to be true.
http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2004/0...true-thing.asp
Back on page 17 I posted this link which had a run down, but obviously it's out of date:
Fukushima Daiichi and Fukushima Daini are the only ones I'm aware of reporting problems and the 4 at Daini are reportedly successfully cooling now.
Again, people can call stuff anything. The Japanese share index lost 6% today. The 2008 US stock market lost 34%. I don't think there is justification to call a 6% loss a crash.
Isn't their market still open? It's noon there.
This is a flat-out unbelievable video of the tsunami rolling into a city, apparently captured off Japanese television.
I caught the end of an explanation where I think they emphasized radiation detected at 400 msv/h. And then said yes, we mean micro, not milli.
Did anyone else catch that? That is Chernobyl territory, not just cancer but radiation sickness and death. I have like a serious anxiety pit in my stomach right now. The newscasters seem shaken.
The ustream dropped, but the web site still has the broadcast: http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/
I feel like playing Stalker now.
Fuck you.
From the bbc feed:
- 0306: Winds over the stricken nuclear plant are blowing slowly towards the Kanto region, which includes Tokyo, Reuters reports.
That is an oh oh. OK, the Japanese news station is now reporting that the 400 level is actually near reactor 3. But reactors 3 and 4 are close to each other.
They are showing a map of the evacuation zone on the stream right now.
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