Reply With QuoteIf she is a troll, she's a dedicated one since she's got a considerable history of videos along the same lines.
That's a bit of a stretch isn't it?Originally Posted by Blips
If she is a troll, she's a dedicated one since she's got a considerable history of videos along the same lines.
Is it even possible for a reactor to fail in a worse way than Chernobyl? I guess you could move it into downtown NYC or something, but the technical failure was apparently as bad as it gets.
"Not as bad as Chernobyl" is still not a great baseline to be aiming for.
Yeah, that's a really good point man. We should totally hear from all the people in Chernobyl. Oh wait...
The radiation levels are still too high for long term human living, but the actual environment is doing quite well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernob...r_the_disaster
I said the environment, not all the humans running about living ordinary lives.
He's talking about nature, not people. Seems like nature doesn't care about radiation. Without humans around it thrives, radiation or not.
I was at Chernobyl 9 years years ago and even the Ukrainian government , where government official lie as easily as breathing, were not claiming the area around Chernobyl was fine.
I'm well aware. Problem is bears only live about 20 years and don't really care about cancer.
He's being a troll. He knows damn well that Chernobyl created a black hole in habitation and economic life that cannot be undone.
Ah, good old Wikipedia. Which also says:
According to a 2005 U.N. report, wildlife has returned despite radiation levels that are presently 10 to 100 times higher than normal background radiation. Although they were significantly higher soon after the accident, the levels have fallen because of radioactive decay.[5]
Biologist Anders Møller from the University of Paris Sud in France has been examining the effects of radiation on animals around Chernobyl for two decades. "Areas with higher radiation have fewer animals, survival and reproduction is reduced, sperm are abnormal and have reduced swimming ability. Abnormalities are commonplace and mutations rates are much elevated," Møller said.
Last year, Møller and Tim Mousseau published the results of the largest census of animal life in the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone [1]. It revealed, contrary to the Chernobyl Forum's 2005 report[2], that biodiversity in insects, birds and mammals is declining. Not all species are affected by radiation in the same way according to Møller. Some birds -- including migrant species and long distance dispersers -- are more vulnerable to radiation than others, he said. Martin Hajduch said animal numbers in the exclusion zone are probably higher now than before the accident. But that's because there are no humans there hunting or fishing.
"But if you look at how many species of animals are in the area, I think it would be less," Hajduch said.[3]Doing well!Møller et al. (2005) suggested that reproductive success and annual survival rates of barn swallows are much lower in the Chernobyl exclusion zone; 28% of barn swallows inhabiting Chernobyl return each year, while at a control area at Kanev 250 km to the southeast, the return rate is around 40%.[8][9] A later study by Møller et al. (2007) furthermore claimed an elevated frequency of 11 categories of subtle physical abnormalities in barn swallows, such as bent tail feathers, deformed air sacs, deformed beaks, and isolated albinistic feathers.[10]
He's a comedian with no sacred cows. Two days after 9/11 he made a joke about Jews on one of the planes hoping they still got full credit for their frequent flyer miles.
Go fuck yourself. I'm perfectly happy if others have separate opinions other than mine. Perhaps stating that the surrounding environment was doing quite well was bit too strong - doing alright might have been more appropriate. But don't label me a troll just because you disagree with me.
Sounds like a dick to me.
I felt bad about it but I laughed. It's Gilbert's shtick to be That Guy.
Well ok then, if you're not a troll trying to disrupt an already troubled thread, maybe you can explain to us what you mean by Chernobyl making a recovery? I think it's a fascinating ecological study, and great place for the cultists, nutters, and squatters to hang out, but how's it doing for, you know, the rest of humanity? What caused you reference it in order to dismiss HRose's view on the dangers of nuclear catastrophe?
Take note that the original Oehmen article was moved to and edited at this website of the MIT Nuclear Science & Engineering department.
Among other things, the media bashing/criticism was removed. Obviously, it felt odd given the point that the original article itself had some errors in it. The 'core catcher' part is gone now, too.
I was attempting to dispute his claim that there is no turning back once a nuclear incident has occurred:
I was never trying to prove that Chernobyl was ready for human living or that the disaster had negligible effects on the surrounding environment - only that, yes, recovery does happen given enough time.
So... when do you think it will be safe to move back in then?
"Japan waiting for (PM) Kan. NHK said it would be "message to nation", rather than news conference".
http://www.kiddofspeed.com/
The above is a great photo essay of a motorcyclist's trip through Chernobyl. She talks about the dangers and gives Geiger counter readings at various places.
Lol I have no idea. 2080 maybe?
CNN just said there's a fire in reactor #4.
The chief cabinet officer is revealing this right now at a news conference. The news conference was to have the PM speak to the people about the situation at the power plants, which he did. The news conference is continuing right now.
They are able to continually cool all three plants, he is saying. He is saying that there were 800 people at the plant installation but all have been evacuated except 50. He is telling people to stay indoors and don't use ventilation for those who are within 20km.
'I'd like to talk about reactor number 4. It is now on fire.'
'At the time of the quake, reactor four was out of operation. There are no fuel rods in the reactor, but spent fuels are.'
'These spent fuels heated and hydrogen emerged. The explosions that took place in reactors 1 & 3 seems to have happened again in reactor 4'
'Hydrogen has escaped, so we assume that radiation has too. We are doing our best to kill the fire and cool it down.'
'As of 10.22am, we are talking about radiation levels that can damage human health. Please embrace this information calmly.'
'The situation we are reporting is grave. We regret that this is so.'
'The whole cabinet is coming together to deal with this situation.'
I've been watching the fucking American news networks this entire time and they won't even cut to this press conference. It's just their fucking talking heads just spewing the same shit over and over again. My fucking god, get a clue, idiots.
http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/l...stream3&hpt=T1
Yeah, but if you're watching the television version of CNN here, it's Anderson Cooper talking about how a young American teacher has been reunited electronically with his parents. That's right now. Ugh.
Now they are saying that those within 30 KM to stay indoors and not to ventilate.
Holy shit.
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