Reply With QuoteCan't say I disagree with you there. I wish they'd bench that guy.Originally Posted by ckessel
Nick Saban looks like he's trying not to cry.
Well, #90 might beg to differ. Actually, he'd just try and twist your neck off.
Can't say I disagree with you there. I wish they'd bench that guy.
Nick Saban looks like he's trying not to cry.
I hope Wes Byrum gets hit by a bus on his way out of the stadium!
Yea, I was just being a little pissy, though he struck me as just a thug with physical talent. The kind of player I hate.
Auburn overall was awfully good, particularly on defense. Disciplined and fast. Losing by 3 points isn't what I wanted, but at least it was close.
I sincerely like Saban as an analyst. I do, however, wish he would go ahead and move onto that sooner rather than later.
The NFL agrees, so he's on the other side of the line of scrimmage.
Saban and Meyer indicted the spread for the drop back in the endzone play that lead to the safety.
It's actually pretty easy, just about anything except hands and feet touching the ground from the result of contact with an opposing player, and you're down. The usual thing on tight calls is the knee. His knee never hit - he's not down even if the only thing keeping him off the ground is a fully prone player. It was a good tackle, but well, bad luck on technically being down.
It's heartbreaking (and I was rooting for the Pac-10 team), but it doesn't cheapen the gain - no whistle, keep playing. Excellent non-call.It is not all that obscure as you see it happen relatively often, but it does cheapen the gain a bit. I am not a big fan of the Ref being viewed as a fixture on the field either.
I am trying to be humble. ;) I don't think the rule should be changed at all.
Not sure what the line was but I would have gone with Auburn and the under all the way.
I really expected Auburn to control the game from start to finish, I was surprised with what I saw. Oregon's D played badass. I didnt think there was a team that could contain Newton at this point, but they sure did.
Auburn's defense had a terrible secondary all season and I would have guessed Auburn would only win by outscoring Oregon. The secondary did seem to tighten in the second half in many games throughout the year. I just figured that Oregon would wear them out. Auburn had played well against the run and I think the D's work against the Duck running game helped limit the options Oregon was used to having and that was the difference.
Oregon's scheme is tough to defend in the season because you have so little time. You have to focus on your opponent that week, and when you're done, you get seven days to totally try to figure out the Ducks.
Ohio State and Auburn each had a month or more to study, dissect, and gameplan against Oregon's schemes. It also helps that they have the athletes and speed to counter it.
I think the tide is turning. Oregon had a couple of years of bashing everyone in the Pac-10 with it, but I think the defensive coaches and players are figuring it out. Cal certainly did by holding Oregon to 15. If Cal had had an actual QB they win their game against the Ducks this year. (Riley was lost with an injury earlier in the season, and his backups were all shockingly terrible and unprepared.) Auburn studied the hell out of that game tape though, you can guarantee that.
Tyjenks, you're a dork. :)
I quit watching when the Ducks went for it on fourth down at the goal line, knowing damn well they weren't winning the line of scrimmage. If they kick the field goal, who knows what would have happened. Oregon's offense looked ordinary to me, as predicted Auburn was more physical and the offense couldn't get going.
What I got out of last night's BCS game: Nick Saban is incapable of speaking a word without using his hands.
Aaaannnd....Strike 2 (or is it 3)!
Les Miles is staying at LSU. Not stated whether UM offered him the job, but the school has already announced that he's not leaving.
So, who does UM turn to next?
Brady Hoke by de-fault!!!!!
And sure enough, UM fans are flight tracking his plane to John Wayne. hahahahahaha.
This is sorta embarassing for UM. A top public university, a tradition-laden and extremely respected football program, and they easily pack the third largest stadium in the world each home game. What do they gotta do to get a coach????
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Embarrassment is already in the books: when you (reportedly) approach the coach of another Big 1G school (Northwestern) and he tells you he's not interested, you've already got enough egg on your face for an omelet.
Big 1G?
The programmer in me could see Big 0x0B but I'm not getting Big 1G.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/5...it-aint-pretty
Ah, a reference to the logo.
Well, its Brady Hoke then.
a "Michigan Man" and a defensive guy, so hopefully they've both gotten what they need, and gotten somebody the fans will allow to do his job. I wish him luck, he's going to need it.
Is there any chance the SEC makes it 6 in a row next year? I don't see a lot of title contenders. You'd think Auburn will return to merely above average. The East is a wasteland. Alabama might get better as a team. LSU can always back into it.
I guess you never know.
Gotta have a playoff.
If the NCAA Basketball was run the way Div 1 football was, at the end of the season you'd pick two teams and say OK, no March Madness, you two just play a game and the winner is national champion.
If the NFL was run the way Div 1 football was, at the end of the season you'd just use some stats to select the top two teams, and declare these are the two teams playing in the Superbowl, and we'll have some meaningless exhibition games between the other teams for a month while we wait.
Same for baseball, same for every other sport. World Cup football (soccer?) Just pick two teams, based on some stats that year, and have them play a single match for the World Cup championship.
One of the problems with instant replay, I think, is often the officials in the booth get so fixated on one detail, like "was his knee down" that they completely miss something else, like the runner having like his whole forearm on the ground at one point.
But I'm more upset about the second interception Cam Newton threw that they took away from Cliff Harris. He made a great catch, has possession when he gets a foot down in bounds and maintains possession all the way to the ground. Should have been a turnover, but instead Auburn scores a TD on that drive.
First off, I understand both calls and I'm not really bitter. Them's the breaks.
The tackle though seems like a loophole. If, especially on a solo tackle like that, the only reason the runner isn't down is he's laying on his back on the opponent, then it seems to me he's tackled. The tackler should count as part of the field in that case, so the runner would be down. I get if a runner's on his belly, using hands and feet and still moving then that's a different thing.
I also understand that trying to close those loopholes may be more trouble than it's worth.
I fast-forwarded through that part. Did anyone talk about how his wrist looked like it hit the ground? I think there was an NFL play like that recently.
I think you'd be hard pressed to say that there was definitive proof that his wrist hit the ground. Just like you can't say that Harris had possession all the way through landing out of bounds.
As bad as B1G officials were at points in the bowl season, they did a good job when it really mattered.
I did a quick Google search. People are saying it was his palm that hit the ground. I think in the recent NFL play, it was the back of the hand/wrist that touched the ground.
The broadcasters were also too fixated on the runner's knee to ever mention that his wrist looked down. There was just an instance in the NFL where someone was rule down by his wrist after a replay, but I can't recall which game.
See, that's another problem. There a lot of fixation over the "maintains possession all the way to the ground" rule these days, but I'm not sure most refs even have a clear understanding of when it applies. From the NFL's rulebook:
Cliff Harris has possession of the ball when he gets his foot down (one hand, clutching the ball to his stomach) and never lets the ball touch the ground when he falls on his back out of bounds. But that's not really relevant since College doesn't even have an equivalent "going to the ground" rule like the NFL. The only thing relevant is if he demonstrates control at the moment he touches inbounds. That's the standard in the College Rulebook. Cliff Harris very clearly does this in the replay. The application of NFL rules to the college game in replay situations is simply out of control at this point.N.F.L. Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 1: Going to the ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.
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