Reply With QuoteFWIW, I don't want a gritty Superman. I want a retro deco gleaming primary color Curt Swan shiny skyscrapers fluttering flags Superman.then they can probably handle a considerably grittier Superman.
Something is cracked and i'm not sure it's his case.Originally Posted by garin
FWIW, I don't want a gritty Superman. I want a retro deco gleaming primary color Curt Swan shiny skyscrapers fluttering flags Superman.then they can probably handle a considerably grittier Superman.
A combination of Michel Gondry's lo-fi and Kerry Conran's green-screen predilections!
I'm hoping for a movie that features a much older Superman, they should just get the dude who plays Superman in this video to do it.
Nice try, but I know that nobody crazy enough to think this is allowed to wander around freely in society.
That looks like the guy from Six String Samurai.
I can't see them going with an older Superman for a series reboot, unless it was a framing device for some goofy time-travel story. (If they did though, they should rip off Alan Moore's Mr. Majestic story at the end of the universe.)
It does make sense to go lighter with Superman, in tone if not necessarily in weightiness. They have a godlike character to play with...do something global or cosmic. Let his ambition grow to match his abilities. Paul Dini's Peace on Earth story might be a good template-- optimistic without being simplistic or Pollyanna.
All I want is a new villain that isn't Lex Luthor or Zod. Batman Begins did pretty well with lesser-knowns like Ras, Falcone and Scarecrow... How about Superman with the Parasite, Bizarro, Metallo, or Darkseid?
Mxyzptlk or bust.
This 1000% this.
The problem is that The Plutonian is a villain. He's a very, very bad man. And Miracleman wasn't exactly played up as being objectively terrific after he decided that it was time to take over the world and make sure things operated the way that they were supposed to operate. I suspect that one of the reasons why the movies, at least, have backed away from treating Superman as some kind of New God (aside from the fact that it's hard to threaten a guy like that, which is what the movie usually hangs on) is because those are natural directions for the story to take. I suspect that you could do a moderately successful superhero style movie that tackled that subject without specifically using Superman (i.e. let's have a movie of The Authority), but I think that the doesn't-read-comic-books public would take Superman turning into either a despot or a villain very badly, sort of like if Captain America turned out to be a peacenik who just wanted to hug Nazis and put all this fighting behind us.
Now, a WONK movie, where we see how super Superman really is because of WHO he is and not just the things he can do, that would be interesting, but that's like the third movie in a series.
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The reason this post is so funny is that for this to be true, it assumes a number of things:
1) Nolan agrees with alexlitel about Superman Returns being an incredibly good movie.
2) Nolan agrees with alexlitel about his own work being very poor.
3) By extension, Nolan agrees with alexlitel that he's a hack and is desperately trying to hide from everyone, afraid they'll figure it out.
4) Nolan is mad that Superman Returns is such a good movie and is spiteful at it's existence and actually wants to make people forget it so that they won't discover that he's a fraud.
Viewer: Wait a minute, this movie is awesome! If only Nolan's movies were this good!
Nolan: Damn it! I've been exposed!
I don't think darksied could be done realistically, hard enough to take him and his world seriously in the animated series.
Zod can be easily done because the non comic reading public would understand his powers instantly, though he is I agree a rather boring choice.
I always liked brainiac. You could change the name to something kryptonian so it doesn't sound so utterly stupid to say. But it gives superman small minions to fight, robots of sorts, virused up human vehicles, and a big fight on his spaceship w/ an incarnation of brainiac himself.
I'd also love it if they did a more sinister version of luthor the evil corporate guy instead of the crappy goofy villain he has been in the movies, I always liked the interplay between luthor and supes with supes having to wrest with trying to bring luthor to justice using the system that is flawed, but not being able to go outside the system.
The reason they keep going back to Lex Luthor is that the rest of Superman's villains are ridiculous. What are they going to do, have Kryptonite Man or Doomsday take him on? Those guys are pure fantasy, they would be cg monstrosities, and have nothing that appeals to a normal audience.
The best villain for a new Superman movie is Batman.
Oh man.
Oh man.
Bats vs Supes. The crossover would be apocalyptic.
Edit: I understand that Batman and Superman have fought in comics. But it's not been done in a movie (and not by a great director such as Nolan).
Not a WONK movie. I don't know how they'd set it up (it couldn't be just a straight reboot - you need some exposition to indicate how there got to be a new world, unless they just started you with Superman being Superman, set it after Superman 2, and had him fly to somewhere where a bunch of Kryptonian refugees had gathered), but in that case you've already gotten the audience to buy in with all these superpowered dudes because they're just other Supermans. It's no surprise that I like the story that Geoff Johns came up with, I guess.
Bizarro would work if they're trying to be funny with it, but it's hard to play that off straight-faced and they wouldn't be able to ask an average audience to endorse the notion of Earth whatever number Bizarro universe is. Solomon Grundy or Ultra-Humanite are also at least theoretically doable, but you're right - this list doesn't have a whole lot of gems on it.
Braniac would be a great villain. No more Lex Luthor, I say.
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^^ Genius.
Apocalyptic, but not in the way you're thinking. Batman vs Superman has been on the table more than once at WB and tons of money has been spent on a project that has never gone anywhere.
As for alternate scripts, I'm still a fan of Kevin Smith's script. The pre-Jon Peters version, where there aren't any giant spiders, fights with polar bears or gay robots. Lex makes an appearance, but the real villain is Braniac, with appearances by Eradicator, Doomsday and Deadshot.
Wonderful.
A Superman movie done properly could potentially be one of the best superhero movies ever, especially with Nolan assisting. The problem with Superman is he's so powerful he needs someone equally powerful to pose a credible threat. This is why Superman 2 was so awesome and one of many reasons Superman Returns was so awful. I just hope Nolan mines the recent Grant Morrison miniseries for inspiration.
Or.... de-power Superman! Just a bit.
Blasphemy, I know.
No, it's not blasphemy, but it's the kind of idea that ruins most superhero movies. "Hey - let's make a movie about character X but change everything that makes him character X!" See: X-Men 3, Spider-Man 3, etc. etc.
I would amp up his power and let him cut loose. The best parts of the films so far are the battle with Zod and friends in Metropolis and the airplane scene in the most recent film. They need to go there.
Superman 2 was just so good because not only did he have 3 foes with the same powers as him, that's the exact time he chose to give up his powers. There's just so many things I love about that movie, not the least of which is the adoration of the Metropolis crowds as they look up at the skyscrapers to watch the battle. They really love Superman.
I hated the giving up his powers part of that movie. See noun's post above for why.
But I agree that it's the best Superman movie because of those fight scenes. I just hate when he doesn't have powers and gets his ass kicked and all that crap. So ghey.
That Batman gif is awesome.
Nolan needs to be made to look at the Dini/Timm version of Brainiac for a good long time. That is a perfect Superman movie villain.
You can't actually think that something as silly (albeit high-quality silly) as Superman 2 (Zod, c'mon!) transcends the artistry of Superman Returns, right? The reason why the film is so good is that Singer didn't want to make the explosion-filled film that fanboys crave for.
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There's no reason they couldn't keep Luthor, as well. The Smith script for Superman had Luthor as a foil, but Brainiac was the real bad guy. Or they could look to the animated series and have Luthor as the brains, while Metallo is the active bad guy. I always loved the Superman animated series' take on Metallo. If the show had managed the depth of Batman, Metallo could have been their Mr Freeze.
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