Reply With QuoteHOLY FUCKING SHIT.
They'd look like this:
HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
I've found I almost never agree with any of the nonsense you say, so I'm really glad to hear you say this.Originally Posted by mkozlows
Fantastic episode. Next Saturday can't come fast enough.
"SPOILERS!"
This one was all over the place.
I really dug seeing Vincent again, especially since his weirdo perception thing was well established in his episode. "What a cool way to send the Doctor a warning," I thought. And then it turned into an RTD-style Greatest Hits of the season that didn't make any sense. Didn't the Doctor give Professor Cyborg thirty minutes to run away from British Intelligence to prevent himself from being deactivated? And what's the Queen doing tooling around a clearly dilapidated Royal Gallery in the middle of the night?
But, OK, whatever, it's still a big fun cliffhanger, right? I thought for sure that Bahimiron was going to be right about a former incarnation of the Doctor being in the Pandorica (time locks keeping him from remembering it until the other Doctor was freed), but the reversal was satisfying enough.
Except...what exactly was the trap? Was it giving the vision to Vincent? That's how they got the Doctor to Stonehenge. But the Doctor and River had heard of the Pandorica before, so that couldn't just be a projection based on Amy's memories. And why was the whole projection bit necessary? The giant letters at the beginning of time seemed to do the trick.
Maybe Amy has been the trap from the beginning? Maybe the Masters of Evil somehow manged to make the TARDIS crash in her backyard on purpose? That would take some string-pulling.
And what was with the Close Encounters act? It looked like the Nestene could have handled getting the Doctor in the box all by itself. I guess everybody else just wanted to gloat.
Still, despite the holes (or, optimistically, points that will be explained next time) and a few outright stupid things (so they set up a whole bunch of lights and scour the site searching for access to the Pandorica and they don't manage to notice the Cyberhead lying right out in the open?), it's still got me intrigued for next week. Partly because I want to know what the hell was going on in the TARDIS, partly because I want to see how they get out of this one, but mostly because I'm still hoping everyone's favorite Roman can make a comeback.
Those would be Autons. I like how they telegraphed it with the classic hand position.
With his obvious love for the original series, I was really hoping Moffat was going to address this at last, perhaps having both sets of Cybermen show up. I really hope he does this somewhere down the line so that we can finally get the scoop on Mondas's finest.
That's a pun, right? That's gotta be a pun.
Last edited by Justin Fletcher; 06-20-2010 at 08:45 PM.
That was a joke. He was trying to tell the Cyborg guy they weren't actually going to do anything to him. That he was free to live his life. That he should go make one. Apparently he made it by staying in the army!
Time can be rewritten for all the rest of the stuff, remember. Time is cracked! So things that could've/should've/would've happened hasn't necessarily but might've/could've/is/are/did.
I kind of thought they missed out on an opportunity for the Doctor to maybe be a little proud of the fact that all those guys worked together for once, but then again I guess the universe was about to not exist SO. He had other things on his mind.
I imagine the use of the term 'Pandorica' is something like the Toclafane from the end of season 3. An enemy of the Doctor naming a tool being used against him after something he'd recognize.
They'd look like this:
Not necessarily.
I can't believe someone actually said that Davies needs to reign in Moffat. What kind of idiocy is this? Davies is one of the reasons why Doctor Who has been awful and I couldn't even stand to watch it. For entire seasons. Sure the 5th season has it's ups and downs (uh yeah and basically there's nothing inherently wrong with a planet of weeping angels, sorry) but it's got a spark and wit that the previous ones really haven't had. And it's the better because of it.
--- Alan
I really, really loved Matt Smith in this episode. He does so much with just a look and a gesture--hitting himself in the forehead with the sonic screwdriver--and his delivery is just so...incredibly perfect, I love him. He gives the Doctor a lot of heart and I really love that there's a kind of Granny Weatherwax vibe from him where he basically just gets by on reputation alone without doing anything flashy--he could and he will, but he doesn't HAVE to, he just reminds you who he is--and I just really buy it from him. It works. And I didn't think that worked for Tennant.
P.S. <3 Rory :(
Yeah.
Man, back in the seventies everybody could shape-shift.
It feels to me like they aren't done with the Amy revelations yet. I'm wondering if its a bit like that Comic Relief special with Rowan Atkinson, where the badguys think they have set a trap for the Doctor using Amy but actually somehow The Doctor or River has set her up as a weapon to be used against them, or perhaps more pressingly to somehow recreate the universe instead.
The Doctor had a line this week about how Amy's house had 'too many empty rooms' and how her 'whole life didn't make any sense'. With the disguised time travel machine on the roof of the house last week and the whole Dream Lord escapade it feels to me like they are setting us up for Amy's house to be some kind of disguised TARDIS and perhaps large parts of her life being false memories (she doesn't remember a lot of stuff she should like the Daleks). The other main thematic thing of course is that Pandora's box, as well as containing all the bad things, classically also contains hope.
Anyway they've done a great job of throwing a whole bunch of things into the air, River maybe killing the doctor, whatever is the truth behind Amy and Rory, the Doctor being in a Houdini trap surrounded by all of his deadliest enemies and the TARDIS exploding. I look forward to seeing which and how they land next week.
Last edited by Dan Lawrence; 06-21-2010 at 05:37 AM.
...where the Daleks, Sontarans, Autons and Cybermen fall into an extensive underground river of ancient poo?
Exactly.
Remember that River actually asks him if they've done the Pandoricum yet, so we know they all have to survive somehow! I still think the fairy tale theme is going to factor in heavily this season.
I hate how they've ignored the great old tradition of making each episode pick up where the previous left off. It was perfectly chronological (as seen from the Doctor's point of view). Now they're editing it like bad cop shows.
Like how at the end of Destiny of the Daleks Davros was being dragged to Earth for trial and then in the start of The City of Death the Doctor and Romana are vacationing in Paris? And how at the end of City of Death they're seen walking around the base of the Eiffel Tower and then at the start of The Creature from the Pit they're getting a distress beacon on the TARDIS?
Yep. Grand ol' tradition, that.
Oh, wait, I get it. You mean how at the end of The Dominators we see the TARDIS with lava heading toward it and at the start of The Mind Robber they escape from the lava in the nick of time!
Yeah, I hate the way the series just abandoned these great traditions in the early 70s.
The transitional "squeal" at the end of every episode doesn't even show up until the second season of Pertwee. It's kind of shocking the first time you see an episode without it, and it's comforting when it starts up.
Head asplode. Personally I would give a great deal for Amy to be Romana.
That would be pretty sweet if she regenerated next episode (but don't change the actress, please!). What are you getting at with the pictures? I hadn't noticed how weird the inside of her house is with that long narrow staircase, but what specifically do you mean? It looks like maybe there aren't enough rooms on the inside to match the windows outside? And her front door even kind of looks like the TARDIS door!
Well - seeing as how Romana had the ability to choose the form of her regeneration, there doesn't seem to be any need to replace Ms. Gillan if she is indeed Romana (lord amighty, that would be awesome...she and River Song would get along swimmingly, don't you think?)
You would think so, but Rory was killed after he and Amy had seen themselves waving in the future so...
Speaking of Rory, the psychic imprint thing is just a bit funky, cause it shouldn't even be there as Rory didn't exist (or maybe that's the point, it was still left behind) but surely the photo wouldn't still be around with him and Amy in it.
So Romana chose to be a little girl with no memory of being a Time Lord? Though Amy's own life seemed strange... no parents, and a mysterious missing aunt who, by most impressions, seemed to be somewhat evil (also something from a fairy tale).
--- Alan
Why aren't there any ducks in the duckpond?
I think that will be the most important question of the season!
Perhaps she has a mysterious old watch that her aunt gave her...
I think specifically there aren't enough stories on the house to contain that staircase? It appears to be from a three story house, unless they have a staircase that leads into the attic which looks possible from the picture, but would be pretty uncommon house design. Given that we've already been primed for mysterious staircases into time machines perhaps we'll see someone go to the third floor of Amy's house next week?
Someone also mentioned that River left her time travelling device next to the Pandorica and that The Doctor might have it now.
Last edited by Dan Lawrence; 06-22-2010 at 12:20 AM.
She didn't: the implication is someone or something took control of the TARDIS; and was not only causing it to explode, but preventing her from escaping it. The big questions are: who has the power to blow up the TARDIS; and why would anybody want to end all universes, given that they're presumably, y'know, in one of them?
I'm not quite so sure - remember that in the Angels episodes, it was heavily hinted that she was in big trouble for something utterly monstrous, and it was ambiguous at the end as to what exactly she was up to in the TARDIS - her excuses seemed a bit fake. Her disappointment at being blocked from exiting the explosion wasn't exactly the act of someone panicking with a clear conscience either, and could be read as a rueful 'all well, my fault I guess.'
(Course, this is a rather forced reading, and I could be hideously wrong.)
Maybe it's the Valeyard! OMG!
Off the wall theory number who-knows: It's Rose! She's trying to destroy the main universe so her reality is the only one! Why? Cos she a biiiiiiiiiitch!
Hahahah.
I don't think River destroyed the TARDIS. She was trying to get it under control/get back to the Doctor and Amy. She did her best to get out of it. Tried everything. In the end, it didn't work. And she is way too cool to be all tears at the end!
Not related to the current series directly, but something I never realized until recently is how much Lovecraft mythos is mixed into the Doctor Who mythos. I also feel bad for anyone that has to try and maintain the Doctor Who continuity because hoo-boy is it a complicated mess.
Do you guys really think Moffat could slow down the Davies Explosive Music Runaway Who-train in less than 2 full seasons?
