Reply With QuoteWhat, he's pissed he was just in a crappy TV movie, and wants his chance at residuals?
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They have had a lot of previous Doctor flashbacks this season though.
Fan-fucking-tastic episode.
Also, no real villain. Hah!
Edit: My super out-there guess as to what is in the Pandoricum? The Eighth Doctor.
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What, he's pissed he was just in a crappy TV movie, and wants his chance at residuals?
:)
They have had a lot of previous Doctor flashbacks this season though.
A man with the blood of a thousand (or a hundred thousand) galaxies on his hands? Could very well be the guy who ended the Last Great Time War and in so doing wiped out countless civilizations.
Then again, it could also be Sutekh.
But probably not. On both counts.
Likeliest guess: a very late incarnation of the Doctor, up-to-and-including The Valeyard (they've already introduced the concept of the Doctor's Dark Side made incarnate in the person of the Dream Lord this season) who has gone as bad as bad can go (shades of Tennant's delusions of godhood at the end of last season). The only way to stop him is to kill him, finally and utterly, and River Song does the deed. . . in her very first time meeting the Doctor (in her own time stream).
As such, she is sentenced to life in prison for the murder of the Doctor (because what court would believe a fairytale like The Pandoricum, anyway? She just up and killed an innocent man!) and spends the rest of her days being occasionally let out to go on adventurous romps with him as penance for her deeds.
Timey wimey, wibbly wobbly.
But my personal hope is that it's Rory. Good ol' Rory!
Almost every episode. RTD had throwaway lines referring to the original series sprinkled throughout his tenure. Moffat has had at least five homages in his first eleven episodes.Originally Posted by XPav
I didn't love this one as much as everybody else did, but it certainly wasn't bad. I was hoping for the return of the Wire, which I think has much more more potential than was shown in the The Idiot's Lantern.
Still, these down-to-Earth episodes (if you'll pardon the expression) are certainly providing a nice contrast for the cataclysmic season finale.
I really loved this episode. I love that this Doctor is like you dad trying to be cool and failing. That's how I hear all those lines delivered, anyway. The main guy was just so perfect and loveable. I loved the Doctor trying to be normal with the kissing hello awkwardly.
I really loved how he got to keep the set of keys in the end. I wonder if they'll turn out to be important. They had a little wrench on them.
I'm going to guess that the Pandoricum has the Doctor inside too. Either that or an exploding TARDIS that needed to be contained. The only reason I can think of for all those bad guys to show up is to keep the Doctor in prison so....I guess we'll see!
Also pls bring back Rory D:
One of the things that I find impressive about Matt Smith as the Doctor is the sense of age he brings to the role, especially when you consider that he's the youngest actor to take on the part.
Funny, because I feel the opposite. I feel he doesn't convey a believable sense of age; of someone who's been gallivanting around the galaxy. Instead, I just see someone who's young trying to play the Doctor, and as such I've given up on it.
I thought this episode was solid, and I much prefer Matt Smith to Tennant, although Eccleston still brought the most gravitas to the role. But I thought Smith was great in this episode, which I though generally was lots of fun (although featured far too many moments with the Doctor talking almost mouth to mouth with Fatso - shades of Torchwood).
Also, is it too much to ask for at least one male character in Doctor Who to not be a goofy schlub? It's as if Clive Owen and Daniel Craig were from a different country.
I also thought that post-Davies they would at least try to have coherent, logical plot resolutions, but they clearly just don't care whatsoever about that "stuff" anymore. The solution always lies in love, humanity and the Doctor mucking about with a few pots and pans. It's as if the show views "rational plot resolutions" as something offensive and to be avoided at all costs - as if incoherence is a strength of the show and it would lose its fun-loving, cute nature if it made sense once in a while.
Wife was watching an episode of Eccleston's season the other day when it happened to be on - the Father's Day episode, which was sort of in the middle of the pack in terms of quality that season - and she kept commenting how much better the show was then, because Eccleston was actually capable of conveying anger and more serious emotions, instead of just goofiness. And the scenes with Rose and her father were genuinely touching - while it's hard to even remember Amy's schlub boyfriend's name, and she never had any chemistry with him so it's hard to feel anything about his loss. The show in general was just played straighter, and was better for it.
I can agree with this. Maybe we're not so different, you and I.
Head or gut, Mike?
Loved it. Lots of fun.
To their credit, they're getting better at it.
And honestly, the few episodes that did make sense were pretty much bollocks anyway.
Hmmm. Starting out with one type of person before trading them in for another and announcing to the world that this was who you truly were all along...Wife was watching an episode of Eccleston's season the other day when it happened to be on - the Father's Day episode, which was sort of in the middle of the pack in terms of quality that season - and she kept commenting how much better the show was then, because Eccleston was actually capable of conveying anger and more serious emotions, instead of just goofiness. And the scenes with Rose and her father were genuinely touching - while it's hard to even remember Amy's schlub boyfriend's name, and she never had any chemistry with him so it's hard to feel anything about his loss. The show in general was just played straighter, and was better for it.
It's a metaphor for something, but I can't quite figure out what.
Okay, the penultimate episode has just aired in the UK. No spoilers, all I'll say is:
ARGHRGHARGHRAHGRAHGRAHBADBADVERYBAD.
(Just to make clear, I'm talking about the situation, not the episode. Great episode.)
Again, ARGHHELPTHISISBAD.
No kidding! How the hell are they going to resolve that I've no idea.
MAJOR SPOILERS
I like that they didn't chicken out with the whole man/machine thing, and let the machine overpower you know who's personality.
Seriously, really major spoilers now;
What I really didn't like though is that instead of yelling "Listen to me!" the Doc should have been yelling "No! Someone else is piloting it RIGHT NOW." It really strains believability that he could have undermined the very premise under which he was being "quarantined" with a single sentence, and didn't.
END SPOILERS
Fantastic episode, I just hope they can maintain things through part 2.
Also there was some brief am/pm confusion and could Karen's previous role on the series before she started playing Amy actually be relevant?
Can't wait for next week now.
A cliffhanger where I can't even begin to guess how they're going to get out of this one?
Fantastic.
I thought Smith was great in this as well. I really felt like his Doctor was firing on all cylinders.
And boy. Some guys never get any luck...
Spoilers, I suppose.
Wow, I really don't feel the love on this one. It seemed like Moffat was desperately throwing in every "cool" thing he could think of, as part of his apparent desire to be the BIGGEST AND AWESOMEST WRITER EVER, and it just didn't work at all. Pacing was janky, the plot setup was stupid, and the main conflict was just ridiculously preposterous, like what a 10 year old fanfic writer would write.
"And then the Daleks came! Oh, and also the Cybermen! And those Slitherine people! And the... um... lizard dudes! Ooh, and those plastic mannequin dudes from the first episode! And a bunch of other guys from other episodes too. EVERYONE HE EVER BEAT, and they're all teaming up on him. It'll be SO AWESOME."
This is the same impulse that decides that it a handful of Angels are great (they were) that a whole fucking PLANET FULL of them would be even better (it wasn't). He really, really needs somebody like Davies reining him in, it's become clear.
We get it already mkozlows, you're a diehard Davies and Rose guy. We know.
This ep felt uneven and rushed.
Loved:
- the setup which steps through previous episode timelines
- the emotional bit where the Dr. talks to Amy about her memories
- the return of you-know-who
- How the doctor's "I'm a badass! PH34R ME!" speech backfired. (Why yes, we do fear you. That's why we built this ultra-deluxe porta-pottie for you.)
- How things circle back to Amy, but without putting her on a pedestal
Didn't like:
- The Legion of Doom. It's never as cool as you imagine it to be, and it ends up like a 6th grader plotted it. ("And then, Lex Luthor and Magneto team up!")
- How Dr. Song was mostly there for exposition.
- Too many ideas with too little time to breathe.
- The first Cyberman attack seemed a bit silly.
Was curious about:
- The Douglas Adams references. The message at the end of the universe, characters dying then coincidentally popping up in the middle of the action.
The thing is, I really loved every one of Moffat's individual episodes, and the one-off episodes this season have been decent (with last week's being very good). But the Big Huge Event episodes just don't work at all.
So far this is better than the Davros ender.
Yes, way way better. So much better.
I wasn't comfortable with all the Doctor's enemies assembled into a superteam (and it doesn't even seem necessary to the plot) but I thought everything else was very well done. Excellent cliffhanger.
Well, yes.
Moffat is going to have to do something fairly special to save the next episode from having a Davies-esque deus ex machina stench.
Why did Song blow up the Tardis?
She didn't.
In retrospect his is really the weakest bit for me. There was absolutely no foreshadowing of this beyond the crack, which was caused by the Tardis exploding...
I also doubt we'll ever find out how the Nestene managed to capture Rory's consciousness as the moment of his death.
And are these Cybermen from our universe or the alternate universe? If it's the latter how did they manage to travel back in time?
Also, they mentioned Zygons. Did anyone see any Zygons? I'm a sucker for Zygons.
Yeah, but that's the thing about Zygons, isn't it? How would you know if you saw one?
