I can't imagine the fight happening quite the way it did if they had an arrangement and Tiger simply "broke a rule." I know couples with arrangements. "Breaking a rule" in those situations tends not to result in really crazy car-crashing window-breaking fights. People comfortable enough with polyamory to even negotiate an arrangement tend to behave more maturely about infidelity.
Breaking a rule also doesn't lead to stupid voice mail messages about not leaving your name on your phone.
The simpliest answer is probably the true one here. She thought they were monogomous, Tiger was lying to her. It is strange to see the length of some of the relationships (if the women are to be believed). One claims the affair has been going on for almost 3 years and Tiger has only been married for 5. That means the affair started before Woods had his first child.
True, we don't know a lot of things. And I would agree that it's possible it happened either way. But not probable.Originally Posted by Cubit
It is improbable that Elin met the one true love of her life, her soulmate, while working as a nanny to a pro golfer AND that her one true love just happened to be the most famous and successful pro golfer in the world. Possible? Yes of course. Probable? In the movies maybe.
If they had known each before he was well known, or if Tiger had been busted for cheating with one woman in one incident, or if she's tossed him out after the car crash- then yeah, I'd be leaning towards Tiger being busted cheating, like any other guy busted cheating.
But the fact we're talking years of cheating, multiple women, and that so far as we can tell Elin and Tiger are still together- this says there are things going on here you won't see in a typical marriage. The standard rules don't apply.
Dude, Elin just bought a house in fucking Sweden, and rumor says she's renegotiating the prenup. That looks a lot like "tossing him out" to me.
Like I said -- she might stay in the marriage until the prenup cashout, but spend the whole time living separated from him in Sweden. That's the likeliest scenario I can see right now. And yeah, that's not the "standard rules", but only because he's so rich and she wants (and deserves) a decent chunk of wealth for putting up with this shit.
Gatorade is discontinuing their Tiger Woods drink, but they claim the decision was made before all this came to light.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...vG3wwD9CFD07G4
Oh you've got to be kidding me, what better way to advertise the benefits of gatorade than to say "We'll keep you hydrated no matter how many holes you're aiming for."
Yes.
I wonder how many acts of infidelity start out with, "Man, I wanna cheat" vs. how many start out with, "I would never cheat".
I mean, I guess, you can say, "That is the one thing I would never do", but I believe through the right combination of relationship dissatisfaction, opportunity, and bad judgment, many people do things they never thought they would do.
For example: Workplace affairs. I would wager that all of those are not due to a couple horny cheaters. You are with people a lot, have the same work interests, develop a friendship over a long period, and then the attraction follows. These factors coupled with marriage being more difficult than you could have imagined and the fantasy of something better can turn a faithful person into a selfish adulterer. Neither person PLANS to cheat, but it happens nonetheless. OH, I left out alcohol. You can plug varying amounts of that in anywhere in the equation to increase the liklihood and speed up the process by several months.
How many people when they first get married say they will not play games and always be honest with each other? And you truly mean it at that early stage and glow. Well, that stage varies in length, but rarely does it last forever. You then occasionally act passive aggressive to get your way. You tell white lies here and there. You hid the money you spent because you think you deserve to treat yourself. You flirt just a little more than you should with the guy who works up a floor, but you pass it off as nothing.
There are myriad things you say you will never do when a relationship begins because that is the good part. Doing those things does not make you a bad person, it just makes you a regular, old person.
Disclaimer: This post is more to the general point of some who would hold to the belief that you know would never do "X" when you have never been put in the "Y" situation which could lead to "X". Tiger, OTOH, just has issues that have resulted in this chronic bad behavior...but then, we all do, don't we? They just do not all involve sex. Unhealthy amounts of food, smoking, gambling, gaming can all lead to screwing up relationships or worse. "I'll never lose $1,000 gambling"..."I'll never let myself get to XXXlbs."...."I'll never smoke 2 packs a day"..."Never will I have 6 level 80 characters". The path from "I never" to actually doing something is not a straight line and it is often a journey in small increments.
I think I understand what you're saying, both with regards to the slippery slope aspect of adultery (or any self-indulgence) and the fact that the adultery is a response to a dysfunctional home life. However, I think the sheer volume and variety of Tiger's adultery means a different dynamic than the kind of affair you're describing. His behaviour speaks to a pretty cynical conception of his marriage and his public image, which is a lot different than someone who is looking for security and acceptance at home, doesn't find it, and so finds another partner to meet those needs outside the relationship's accepted boundaries. It seems like Tiger was just up for fucking a lot of pretty girls. I guess my argument depends on seeing inside his head, which is not possible. I also realize from reading your disclaimer that I may be missing the point a little, and that you may be addressing the board more generally than Tiger specifically.
If I am dissatisfied with a relationship and don't believe it can be fixed, I'll break it off long before it gets to the point where I'd consider cheating. Because I'm not a giant pussy.
Even a relationship where a breakup could cost you millions of dollars and custody of your kids? I'm just saying, it wasn't an ordinary state of 'affairs' for most of us.
Or you have kids that you would see about 50% as much as you normally would and you would both be in financial ruin following a divorce? Look, I am not saying that you would not follow through on exactly what you say, CCZ. I am just saying that people who cheat for whatever reason cannot 100% be called giant pussies. There is so much else that goes into it. I will also add that having been in a long-lasting marriage and having run into certain "situations" with several friends, you get a different perspective. Its like telling someone who is considering children how much it will change your life..there is no way to convey it, you just have to live through it. Until you have endured the rigors of marriage, you can say, "I would never", but you really do not know.
@Adam: Yeah, I started with a Tiger post,, but as with most of my posts it meandered somewhere else that applies more to the issue of cheating/adultery.
Pretty sure that sex with a Perkins pancake house waitress in a church parking lot wouldn't be part of that agreement...
I'm guessing you also don't have kids.
This is gonna be like Woodstock. There are going to be thousands of women one day claiming they had sex with Tiger.
So I read that article.
"'He had such a big sex drive and wanted it fulfilled,' the newspaper quoted Lawton as saying. 'I want his wife to know what a cheat he has been.'"
Gee, I wonder where her concern for Tiger's wife was when she was boinking Tiger?
I love it when people say naive things like this.
A married person gets an opportunity to have a one night stand with someone far more attractive than their spouse. Are women less likely to take up such an offer, and if so, why?
I know you are, but what am I?
I wonder if EA is going to term their Tiger license
They'll just integrate a sex minigame into a world tour mode. At each location, you can earn achievements by seducing one of the attractive staff.
Why, Tiger? Why?
The problem with this question is that ten of us just googled "married women looking for one night stands," and must now delete our temporary internet files, cookies, and browser histories.
Why, Tiger? Why?
Because it's there.
Did you ever handle divorces Flowers? I thought you might have brought it up, but I imagine divorce attorneys are privy to all sorts of shit.
Flowers as divorce attorney?
MY HEAD ASPLODE.
(I almost pasted the Scanners animated exploding head GIF in here, but couldn't really stand to look at it myself.)
I used to handle divorces as a substantial part of my caseload, but I am exclusively practicing as a criminal defense attorney now. First, there is a lot of crying, especially from the men. Second, if you think criminal defendants are difficult clients to control, try reigning in someone who stands to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars to the one person they hate most in the world. If I had a nickel for every time I picked up the phone and heard, "Guess what your client did..."
Oh wait. I do.
Actually, research has apparently shown that when married people cheat, it is with someone rather less attractive than their spouse.
I read somewhere the best forecast of infidelity in a committed relationship is number of previous sexual partners. Which means I am pretty much boned.
Maybe Tiger is the same. I have to say, though, even though I had a decent amount of sexual partners before my (ex) wife, I never even considered cheating on her. Then
again, sexual chemistry was not our problem.
Made that more explanatory for you.
Hey now, don't paint all model wives with the same vegan brush!
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