Reply With QuoteWell said.
Yeah...have you *seen* Laser Fart?
If you don't think he shits gold, watch episode 3 (That's when he started taking it seriously - sort of.)
I'm not saying sucking is a prerequisite to art. It seems to be a prerequisite to his art. There are, of course, people who make great are who are not douchebags. Dan Harmon does not qualify for that. However, personally, his art is on a level to me where I don't care that he's a douchebag. You may not see him as on that level, that's fine. I don't have to deal with him every day either, so there's that. It might get tiresome. I'm 5000 miles away. I'm happy if he douches it all up if I get more of the stuff he makes that seems to be connected directly to the pleasure centers of my brain.
I'm not defending the guy on a personal level. But I don't think that you can just ask that all people who make art are nice people that you would want to hang out with and will always do the right things. Sometimes he does shitty things. That's life.
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Well said.
I've enjoyed Pierce quite a bit less this season, to the point of mostly tuning him out. This ongoing feud, to me, explains what's been going on there. He's getting shittier writing, and Chevy Chase isn't bothering to consistently nail the performance (he does still have his moments. Chevy Chase can land an amazing delivery when he bothers).
If any show could replace a member of the ensemble cast with a new person and somehow flawlessly work it into the show's mythos it would be Community. Hell, Pierce is probably the one character out of all the main characters who not only could be replaced by another character, but it would actually be funny and entertaining to see it happen. As a character Pierce is damn near played out, his only thread of relevance this season is as Shirley's partner in the sandwich shop enterprise and that apparently was resolved this past episode.
That doesn't excuse Harmon being a collossal ass, but then again, it's his show, so bye-bye Chevy.
Tonight's episode of Community was FUCKING. AMAZING. The pledge drive bit and the end had me laughing so hard I literally fell over with tears in my eyes. Just incredible.
Really great episode. The West Wing once did a Frontline-style documentary episode that was terrible so I was leery going in, but it turned out awesome, possibly because it was a Ken-Burns style documentary instead of Frontline.
I loved the goof on Spartacus.
Completely agree with the above. What a fantastic episode of television.
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I was so bored with this episode. I was really hoping the mockumentary was just for the intro but then they took an almost funny joke and ran it into the ground for 22 minutes. Bleh.
"Leonard likes this post."
You're out of your goddamn mind.
I assume this is a joke post.Originally Posted by Mike Cathcart
Seriously, Cathcart? I was actually stifling some of my audible laughter so my wife wouldn't think I'd gone off the deep end.
Then again, I love well-executed parody, and I've seen a couple of Ken Burns documentaries...
He seemed alright on the Indoor Kids episode he was on, pretty chill anyway.
You're the worst.
This show is genius.
Yeah. I usually like the Community parodies, too. The narrator was annoying. I probably would have liked it more if they had done a Civil War movie parody and not a Civil War documentary parody. Unicorn, birthday cake, birthday cake, thumbs up.
I wish I agreed with you so I could say "Rory likes this post"...
The narrator wasn't annoying, the narrator was Keith David! And he's awesome!
I recognize Keith David's voice instantly. How could you not? He's Halo's Arbiter, Mass Effect's Anderson, Modern Warfare's Sergeant Foley/etc, etc, etc, etc.
And he's awesome.
I think I realized why Community has gotten frustrating for me: the writers are always intent on showing some kind of character growth in each episode, but it rarely sticks, and the same lessons are being learned a dozen times. (This episode was the 20th version of "Annie wishes Jeff were less dickish." 30 Rock's handled character growth better, by making a point that it doesn't exist most of the time. That show has some character development season to season, but it doesn't pretend the ball is being advanced every episode.
If Community adopted a 30 Rock/Seinfeld model, they could fit in more jokes rather than spend 5 minutes each episode on "heart."
Please explain, because this sounds like you're saying the exact same thing. What's the difference between "character growth rarely sticks" and "character growth rarely happens?"
Edit: And do you honestly think there's a shortage of "jokes?"
I totally think the character growth has stuck over the years...except maybe for Pierce.
The best part of the ep was how they introduce Annie in a photo by first focusing on her boobs, and then panning slowly upward.
As I see it, sitcoms have real character growth and fake character growth. (Hazard of the format: you want to let people feel like they're watching an evolving story, but you also have to string out that story long enough for sixseasonsandamovie.) Jeff's grinch heart has grown two sizes every other episode... yet at the start of the next one, his grinch heart is same as it was at the beginning of the season/series. Some people might see this an accumulation of incremental developments that will culminate in a larger one, and that would be fine -- but Community crams an epiphany into every episode. When you have repeating epiphanies, that's when I feel like they haven't stuck in the first place.
30 Rock has a higher ratio of real character growth to the fake stuff, because it mostly ignores the fake stuff. Liz or Jack is in stasis for seasons at a time, then something actually happens. It's a series of plateaus and leaps. Community does this oscillating thing.
Some episodes are definitely short on jokes, but that's not the point -- they could squeeze more jokes into every episode of they cut back on the heart stuff.
Plus, he's done a bunch of Ken Burns documentary narration. Oddly though, not for The Civil War, which this ep spoofed so well.
Wow, the numbers nosedived. Down 24-percent from the previous week. Last night was an all-time series low.
I assume that counts people that watch the beginning but tune out halfway? (I don't know exactly how the ratings work). If so, that doesn't surprise me. The documentary tone with few obvious jokes was clearly going to alienate some people. You definitely had to meet it more than halfway.
Personally, I liked the concept of this a little more than the execution, but Pierce's secret weapon makes up for almost any problems I had with it.
That number means that 24 percent less of the people with Nielson boxes tuned in, which the extrapolate to mean that 24 percent less of all people tuned in. The real number of viewers could be higher or lower or anything, because they don't count actual viewers.
Yeah, we watched this live (we do every week) and we know lots of other folks who watch it live as well. I know of NO ONE that has a Nielson box, and I've only ever seen one once in my entire life. The system has needed to be revamped for decades now, and it only continues to prove more and more feeble as the times change.
I thought it was a fantastic episode - one of their best in a while.
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