Reply With QuoteAnd it was way too dark.Originally Posted by jerri blank
I've thought that as well but it's really hard to say since facts are sketchy.
And it was way too dark.
Good episode, maybe things are starting to turn around, but it was still fairly light on zombie action. A lot of other things happened however. Nice to know the writers must be thinking somewhat along the same lines as they did finally show some chores (feeding chickens) which makes it obvious the farm actually can produce some food. Lori was really annoying all show.
I could not disagree more. I thought it was a lousy episode. The teaser from last week was OMG A BARN FULL OF ZOMBIES and that gets brushed over to nothing more than 'keep it a secret' and we instead focus the hour on whether Lori is going to keep her baby? Even the zombie swarm was the opposite of tense.
I'm all for developing personal relationships, but the zombie aspect is really just shoehorned in around 'Guiding Light' for all that it's become.
Okay. See you next episode. :)
More seriously, I enjoyed it because it "fixed" a lot of storylines:
Issues I had: just how much ammo do they have at this point? Was there an unraided gun store in that town or something? Does Herschel have a depot in his basement? Setting up a firing line can go through it plenty fast. Sure, it's important to teach the skill in their environment, but I'd think the ideal way to do that is to conserve the ammo and teach individually as repeating poor habits does nothing but waste a limited resource. Ah, well - it's a minor quibble, and at least they emphasized they were taking a short trip to do the shooting instead of just doing it by the home where it could draw more zombies to their safe haven.
- Glenn & Maggie seem a little more legitimate than just "two young, unattached actors sharing the same screen must obviously have a thing for each other."
- Dale has always been a busybody, but is finally impacting the world around him outside of Andrea ... ironically as that purview seems to be getting intruded on.
- Shane actually seems a little more enjoyable to watch as a character now that he's been given something to do other than look grim and mean.
- I don't think that Rick whined even once, which is a nice change of pace.
- Andrea's character seemed a little more enjoyable and I appreciated the whole Shane-being-a-jerk-and-making-her-shoot-the-walker bit.
Second issue - Lori. As has been mentioned, she's getting a little annoying. I'll admit that many people would be that emotionally distraught in that kind of a scenario (quite possibly myself among them), but that still doesn't make it good TV on its own. I kept wanting to say "get over yourself" again and again, but nobody except my cats would have heard ... and they'd just think I was about to offer them food. I think a whole full-fledged debate over whether to have a child in that world would have been a really good way to go. Perhaps it will come up in the future, but I think the moment passed and they chickened out (my guess is that they didn't want to alienate the anti-abortion people out there).
Hershell has to be completely off his rocker to actually FEED his pet zombies. Food is scarce enough, and zombies aren't pulling their weight (unless they took suggestions from this thread and make them into plow-zombies).
This episode was a letdown. Again, nothing seems to have been resolved. Great moments squandered and replaced by the same emotional and personality conflicts that are reiterated over and over again in every episode.
Spoiler: When the car's a rockin', don't come a knockin'!
So far, Andrea is annoying. Dale needs to die. I don't care at this pint about Rick and Lori. Hell, kill everyone off, and just turn the show into making Daryl some zombie hunting, revenge-filled madman riding his motorcycle across a ZA world, righting wrongs, helping the weak, and leaving a wake of zombie corpses behind him.
Maybe add a motorcycle sidecar, and have Glenn as a comedic-relief sidekick who invents weird zombie killing weapons.
I didn't even understand what was going on there. Is Hershel that delusional that he thinks zombies need to fed? Why would the others go along with that and waste livestock?
After reading this thread and watching the episode last night I think there were TONNES of chores and demonstration re: how they eat/survive on the farm. The opening scene Sarah Tencredi from Prison Break and Cole were feeding chickens. Lots and lots of chickens. Horses were being fed on. Pigs were referenced. In the last scene there were horses (10-20?) in the background off Rick's right shoulder. Hopefully we can put this chores discussion to a rest and talk about the plot and take our best guesses regarding future episodes?
Do any of you watch the Talking Dead after the Walking Dead? The host of that show is awesome. The commentary and analysis is also great.
I thought it was an AWESOME episode. I guess I am an optimist who is easy to please. I think you may be dissappointed with next week's episode (which I think is the final episode before the break). I don't think they will address the zombie barn issue until February and they will use the zombie barn issue as the cliffhanger for next week's episode. I also think a standoff with Rick's group and Hershell will serve as next week's cliffhanger before the break.
I also think the missing girl (?Sarah?) will not be found anytime soon. I think she will end up being the "Walt" from "Lost" and will return in a future season.
No, Sarah Fucking Tencredi from Prison Break and Cole were not feeding chickens. Lori from The Walking Dead and her son Carl were feeding chickens. Congratulations on having watched Prison Break, but this thread is not about that show.
I totally agree. My first thought was that they've got way too much General Hospital and not enough plot (zombie action or otherwise). When Lori (who I can't wait to become zombie meat) took the "abortion pills" I was thinking "YES! They are finally advancing the plot." Then she spits them up. And the big "reveal" was that Rick knew that she and Shane got a little sumfin-sumfin together? Give me a break. Hope the show picks up the pace a little cuz the tedious melodrama is getting old.
The comic the show is based on is essentially 'Guiding Light' with occasional zombies. The difference is that 10 pages of dialog in a comic can be read, the images skimmed through, in about a minute, maybe two. Your brain can process it and understand it all that quickly without detriment to the entire story. On TV, they have to actually act it out and speak the lines. You can't skim it. When 90% of a comic book is talking with 10% zombie fighting action, you can read the talking in about 2-3 minutes and then dwell on the fighting pages for as long as you want. On TV, you get 37 minutes of talking and 5 minutes of fighting, which is the same percentage split on the 42 minute per episode show.
Lori and Rick have the same damn emotional argument every episode. I'm getting to the point where I want to leave the room whenever the two of them have screen time together.
Other than that, I didn't think this episode was particularly bad, but I do wish there was more zombie action. This season has been sloooow in that regard.
SOLD! What time does this show air??
You can have a drinking game based purely on how many times Dale sticks his noise in people's business.
Sometimes he's wrong, sometimes he's right. It is still crazy-annoying how much that guy provides unsolicited "advice".
I thought they made it pretty clear in last night's episode that the Hershell people are oblivious to what is going on in the world. They seem to think the world is still functioning (somewhat) and that the zombie infestation is potentially reversible. This is despite them knowing what happened at the CDC.. they still are hanging on to hope that the world still functions. Rick's group is the first group (or one of the first) that has warned them about the ZA... they are probably a bit in denial. From their frame of reference I think it is a reasonable state of mind.
Furthermore, remember that HIV scare in the 80s? (Okay, okay, this is a lot more dramatic, but then again it's TV!). What if we killed all those "homo fags" who got HIV from having "sex with monkeys in Africa" back in the 80s? Today HIV is a treatable (but not curable) illness, no longer a death sentence. Having said that I can understand why Hershell wants to keep his loved ones alive, even if they are zombies. It's just a disease and like AIDS someone will find a cure.
Not delusional at all. Just human.
Lol! Such hostility! Were you somehow abused by the Prison Break writers?
I recently did an IMDB search for Prison Break and I noticed that they released a movie post series finale. Anyone watch it? Any good?
FYI: As was said in the Talking Dead (quite humorously I might add by the guest director) the writer of that episode is FEMALE.
He is the paternal figure of the group. He's a dad.
I give him a slight pass because that's his character. He never had any children (his wife miscarried, and I think he mentioned they never tried again after that), so I think that he thinks this is his chance to be daddy.. or yoda, or some wise, sits on the mountain top guru.
What annoys me is that he's playing dad to a bunch of grown-ups in their late-30, early 40's, kid's of their own, etc. He has this air of arrogance that just rubs me the wrong way, but deep inside, I think the writers are doing that on purpose.
If he was in my face giving me "fatherly-advice", I'd be pretty pissed and really annoyed.
Andrea stood up to him, and was the only time she won brownie points, but I felt she dropped the matter to quickly.
No, I'm pretty sure it's delusional to think that people that previously died and got up again with a taste for living flesh are going to somehow be "cured" of their affliction when they are clearly rotting. I understand that Hershel's mind snapped regarding his son and wife, but the other folks are just as nutty for going along with it.
It's one thing to nod your head and agree with the guy that lost his marbles. It's another to actually kill livestock to nurture the fantasy of the guy that thinks zombies need to fed.
Well, it seemed like Otis' wife was kinda going along with it nervously, or Hershel has managed to convince her of his opinion by using the heavy guilt of Jesus.
And Maggie is obviously torn between deciding if they're walkers or dead family members, it doesn't take much to push her over into the "they're walkers" camp.
I posted this elsewhere, but what would have made the episode (and series) so much better?
Shane and Andrea are escaping the house and shooting their way down the street, have Shane turn to Andrea and say 'Tell Otis I said hi' and shoot her in the leg.
I thought it was a great episode, possibly the best including the pilot.
I laughed when it started with farm work, considering all the 'how is the farm work getting done' talk we've just had here.
As to the feeding, I didn't get the impression food was an issue for Herschel's group, I did get that impression for Rick's group.Rick's group in contrast has seen the destruction, in person, of entire cities.Spoiler:
Shane and Andrea's foray was specific as I understood it. A house to house was said by Shane to not be necessary. They would 'work' their way back, whatever that means. Andrea's shouting and the noise of their car arriving should explain the company they attracted.
I liked how Dale tried to be smooth and make up reasons for why he knew things. I'm sure he realized no one would buy it, but that's the kind of effort that makes me like a person. Also he did stand up to Shane even though he knows how dangerous Shane really is.
Compare to Glen, here's a guy I really don't like now. I'll grant that maybe his character is supposed to be clueless around women, and I mean completely clueless. He can't even understand that if a woman isn't all smiles about possibly being pregnant, maybe she doesn't see it as a good thing. Whatever, people are that stupid. But how do you explain his getting nosy and butting in? He makes Dale look standoff-ish in comparison.
Also, Glen has no loyalty to anyone. He spills his guts to anyone who pays any attention to him. He betrays Maggie, which maybe you could excuse as taking his group's side(personified by Dale) against Herschel's side(Maggie). But....
Spoiler:
At least there's a method to Shane's madness. I can hardly wait to see Tdog and Carol's episode. Carol's will undoubtedly involve the resolution of the search but who knows what Tdog will get. And really his character has been shortchanged here to the point where I'm starting to feel it's deliberate. Is the actor not up to the task or something? Cause these people are stuck in a desperate situation and he's one of the physically stronger people and yet he hasn't had jack shiat to do. Hmmm...
edit:Haha, could it be at some future time that Andrea and Shane, making a run for it, have that happen except just as Shane is saying "Tell Otis I sai..." Andrea shoots HIM in the leg? Sith apprentices can't be trusted after all.
Last edited by gameoverman; 11-21-2011 at 12:26 PM.
Dude, you are totally correct and I agree with you.
The funny director guest guy on The Talking Dead had the best line describing Dale: "he is a flaccid Obi Wan Kenobi"
hilarious... Looks like Dale is going to get his soon. He has pissed off too many people!
That is awesome! Made me laugh.
One personal observation about this show: I *always* have dreams about being a survivor of a ZA after watching this show. ALWAYS. Last night I dreamt I was guarding the barn, making sure no walkers could get out.
I never have bad dreams after watching American Horror Story.
For whatever reason, this show burrows into my head a little.
Unlike Dale, Lori gave Glenn a right to have a say the minute she asked him to get the test and drugs for her. He ain't just butting in out of blue- she dragged him into it.
Yeah, it's not like these are 28 Days Later zombies who are just really really violent humans. Like, their skin is all rotted off. A bunch of them are missing limbs. The are clearly not just "dangerous".
Beyond that the CDC guy explicitly showed the group that zombification is post-death, I don't think I'd want to be cured if when i come back I'm going to be missing my left kneecap and have exposed ribs and no ears and all the other very serious health problems I incurred when I was mauled to death by zombies. It makes Hershel seem utterly fucking insane, but I think he's just supposed to be idealistic.
I've been having dreams about ZA long before this show. I blame the original Left 4 Dead.
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