Reply With QuoteYour point?Originally Posted by Rob_Merritt
That image still shows her with more clothes on than the males of the game.Oh please the game already has costumes that are considerably more acceptable in mixed company. Would it really have been so difficult for an option that defaults Ivy to this:
Your point?
And Ico is just a little boy--and significantly shorter than Yorda, which makes him appear to be younger than her. However, Yorda is completely lacking in agency, while Ico kicks shadow monster butt up and down the entire castle.
I unreservedly love Ico, but it's a trainwreck of gender stereotypes, just like most games.
Those are different characters, actually. The first one is Cassandra.
If you want to make the game more child-friendly, I'd echo an earlier poster's recommendation to play SC2 instead. The character designs were less anime-style and more realistic.
Alternatively, you could just stick all the girls you've got a problem with (Ivy, Taki, Sophitia, Voldo?) in parkas. It would take a few minutes in the character creator. Plus, most of these characters have less-ridiculous 2nd outfits that might be more acceptable to you.
OK for who? For everybody?
Well sure, but one shouldn't be surprised about the content of a game being inappropriate for an 8 year old if it's rated T or higher.Hmmm why? As a parent of 4, I use the ratings as a guide not as a rule. There are m rated games I think are tame enough minus the language and there are E games I don't let them play.
Just get these two games for 360: Naruto the Broken Bond
Dragonball Z Burst Limit
The line is where most people wouldn't be embarrassed to show the game to family or feel the need to explain away how the girls look.So what is the line? Would SC been ok if the women were dressed in Muslium burga?
I imagine that on a technical level it would have been fairly easy to tie the available costumes to the parental control settings. The hard part is how you actually convey that kind of thing to the users. Now your ESRB rating is "T for Teen due to Violence and Partial Nudity (but E10 if parental controls are active, except it's still a T overall due to the violence, you know (oh shit, I guess we could have made the punches look like you were giving flowers or something))."
And its help in jpinard's case would have been purely accidental since it should have been apparent that it was inappropriate in the first place. It would be a bit unfair to expect every game out there to selectively scale all of their content right down to the 8-year-old level.
Yes, because of course the only conceivable options are "stripper" and "nun." The middle ground is just a myth - a myth, I tell you!
I just wish female characters looked less like fanboy wank fodder and more like normal women. That's not too much to ask, is it?
Therein lies the paradox of many female protagonists (aka the Lara Croft Effect). On the one hand, they are often just as tough, smart, and resourceful as their male counterparts. OTOH, they've usually got these sexually exaggerated physiques, ridiculously skimpy & impractical outfits, and a camera which tends to linger adoringly over their copious goodies. There are exceptions (e.g., Samus from Metroid, Jade from BG&E), but they just make the norm stick out even more like a sore thumb.
I'm pretty sure that was Namco's intent.
Is it? My bad - I always get them confused. I just GISed for Sophitia pics and grabbed the first ones which looked right. I'll see if I can find a proper Sophitia pic to replace it with.
Don't forget Taki's heaving, glistening bosoms with their erect nipples and her painted-on outfit complete with camel-toe.
Hmm, clearly I was playing another game and misremembering. Robopants is right.
Last edited by rei; 04-13-2009 at 11:56 AM.
Those are drawn pictures. None of that exists in the game. Well, she has big boobs and a spandex suit, sure. But there's no camel-toe or nipples.
i've never seen camel-toe, but her nipples can clearly be seen in game.
If you're not seeing her nipples ingame, you're not looking very hard. She had visible nipples all the way back to SC2.
Mm, yeah, I can see that. Sorry, it wasn't my intent to put words in her mouth, and I guess looking back, that's exactly what I did.
What she said didn't seem to express problems with the issues I had anticipated (or any issues in substantial detail), so which was the reason for my surprise. I wasn't trying to diminish her experience with the game, though.
Hmmm. Is it really so detached from the truth that little boys are more daring than little girls? The only piece of fiction in popular culture I remember saying otherwise was "My girl", and you know how that ended...
I remember that back in kindergarden or my early school years, we boys were always collecting horrendous bugs or playing "I'm a warrior and I kill dragons!", and girls were more like "ewwwwwww, a spider!"...
God, this is the second time in as many weeks that we've decided to go off on a nipple hunt.
You belong in a Muslium!
What? You brought your mom up, nobody else. It's a little late to try to throw anyone else under the bus.
Hardly typical.
"Submissively?" Maybe you should show her The Velvet Express so she can get a better perspective. Does she hate Princess Leis too?
Hawt. Also, we're talking about a preference of one expression of gender inequity over another. Which is why her opinion is at best problematic. It also explains from where you get your sorry taste in film.
Well, what jpinard thinks isn't really the end of it. As long as they aren't nude and bikini style outfits are as far as it goes, then a teen rating is fine. While Rob's comment is an exaggeration, stuff like bikini car washes in Bring it On (a PG-13 film) seems to be ok. I'm not really into setting different standards just because one is a video game.
Honest question: Bill, are you retarded and if so, to what degree?
Actually, I think Rob's mom's reaction is interesting, because there are a lot of people who care more about personality & behavior than they do about appearances. Cheesecake is less offensive when the ladies in question are actively kicking butt rather than just being eye-candy or door prizes.
I can spell and conjugate simple verbs, discern between quality films and dreck, resist the urge to hoard outdated game consoles so I can someday (never) play with the friends I don't have, and neither do I throw tantrums because I can't figure out puzzle games. Simply put, I'm a lot less retarded than you are, Skeezix.
Yeah, because that's what they're taught. Gender is a verb, mate, we perform masculine and feminine based on a whole range of templates, but usually the dominant standards for masculinity and femininity, which for many years, here in the West, have been: Boys = rugged and fearless, Girls = delicate and emotional.
Take a look at the standards for femininity in countries that have national service for both men and women - like Israel and Russia - there's a lot less of the hair-twirling, math-is-hard bullshit that women here are taught.
Well unless you're a certain kind of fetishist, heh. But seriously, the idea that attributes previously associated with men (dominance, violence, power) are universally positive attributes and that women just need to become more like men (or men more like men for that matter ) for there to be equality is just as sexist.
I fondly remember the smack to the back of the head that I gave a Supernatural-loving friend who insisted that Alona Tal had clearly never even held a gun before based on the way she was handling one in a recent episode of Supernatural.
Yet I'm not the one asking if you watch porn with your Mom and her opinion on a Star Wars character in the keystroke.
But you are the one who said this:
Really? Your mom plays TF2 and UT3 more than anyone else on qt3?
In the wake of Bill & Rob's slap-fight, is it too late to strip "mature" from the subject line?
Huh huh - "strip" - huh huh.
I wasn't about to go into a complete deconstruction of gender roles. Nevertheless, within the context of a fighting game, where the entire point is to beat the crap out of your opponent, I'd say being the best at violence is a positive attribute. :-)
I presume you mean because she's Israeli and completed her mandatory military service?
Ok. Fair enough. Heh. :)
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