Reply With QuoteInteresting, but that's not a game the guy in question worked on, right?
Hey, neat, it's a lazy copy-editing error instead of a math error!Originally Posted by nothings
I'm not being sarcastic, I think it's actually a pretty interesting little collision of fact-checking.
Interesting, but that's not a game the guy in question worked on, right?
What in the world makes you think that there wouldn't be an audience on the internet for that? If I was more ambitious, I'd be securing the IP rights to it right now.
These were my thoughts exactly after reading the GI review. I opened the magazine at lunch and was surprised to see Dragon Age reviewed. After reading it I knew nothing more about the game than could be gleaned from the trailers and preview coverage. The review is written almost like it's placeholder text and details were meant to be filled in later. It's definitely one of the most generic reviews I've read in quite some time and manages to say almost nothing. If the choice was between putting that vanilla review in this issue, or doing a nice two page spread in the next issue, I'd have gone with the latter.
Whatever the review may be (and good lord am I not having that fucking discussion), Joe spent a shitload of time with final code for it. So don't think it's some kind of bullshit marketing thing or whatever, please.
I'm not accusing him (and I don't think anyone is) of not playing the game enough. It just doesn't come through in the review at all. The review has no real texture or detail to it.
Like I said, I'm so not having that conversation. There is no good that will come of it, even on a relatively reasonable forum like QT3. I just wanted to pop my head in and correct any (even implied) misinformation.
Anyway, carry on the hatin'.
Understood. I wouldn't characterize the critiques of this particular review as "hating". I think there have been some good points made about it. Either way, I'm a paying GI subscriber (I didn't get my subscription through Gamestop) so I obviously find GI's coverage worth supporting with my money. This particular review just isn't very informative or interesting.
http://twitter.com/joseliz/status/4876800064Who wants to see a picture of my five (5) DJ Hero turntables?So, wait, he gets five copies of a game for a review site that runs the same review for every SKU, and I'm expected to pay $120 for it?@supererogatory three consoles with multiplayer :)
Edit: He also tweeted this response to someone who I guess was asking his opinion on the game.
@supererogatory I'll say this, the game is grand!
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Hey, if I was Activision, I'd be happy to send someone five copies of DJ Hero in exchange for a guaranteed 9/10 score on Gamerankings!
-Tom
Liberals, conservatives, hardcore raiders, hateable savebabies, we can all agree on one thing: Jose Liz may be the worst writer ever to be a fan of the fan of the fan.
I was hoping you were joking, but his site is actually on GameRankings--and Metacritic; the former says his site has an "average review ratio" of 83.99%.
But I'd rather like one of those copies of DJ Hero, as I really cannot imagine that anyone outside of QT3 actually reads that site.
Why you so nice to him?
Why are you here, in a thread called "Game Journalism 2009: The Continuing Plunge", if you just don't have to "have that conversation"? This thread is for criticize bad videogaming journalist work.
It's fair enough to point out a potential factual error and then say, he doesn't feel like having an argument about the overall quality of the piece.
In fact he isn't in the thread - he came and left.
I said a page or two earlier that Joe had played Dragon Age for at least 2 weeks before putting up the DA review.
Anyway, Adam B also works for Game Informer, so he doesn't want to get in the argument about quality of review of a co-worker's work.
Is Jose Liz like that fake movie reviewer Sony created years ago to give gushing praise to Sony movies?
So, I looked at the GameRankings link. This place has done 1,502 reviews supposedly and their average review percentage is 83.99%? Wow! Every company must love them.
We wish.
However, he is the protagonist in the inevitable QT3-based Great American Novel.
Also, according to Jose Liz in 2005, Jose Liz in 2009 makes more money than all of us combined…or something.
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Will you also be a part of it?
I mean, since you have been considered the worst thing to happen to new games journalism, i think a duo by you and Jose Liz might be in place.
Not sure whether to put this here, or the Random Thought Thread, but...
Would one of you damn game review sites, any one of you, give me a print-view option so I can read the text of the review, without all the glowy flickering ads, useless Flash stuff, and lamely captioned screenshots? You know, like every other type of website that has "articles" does?
Worse than Tim Rogers?
I hadn't realized that nobody has ever won an argument against Jose Liz...EVAR! Suddenly I have so much more respect for him!
Have I contributed to the time-honored memes of QT3 lore in a profound way? I don't think I'm in the same category as the likes of Liz, DeepT, and Koontz.
The blogger never wrote of Tim, so I don't know.It was October 21st, and I started on my morning routine of checking the multitudinous gaming-focused feeds I subscribe to. Among my favorites is GameSetWatch, the bloggy counterpart to zenithal gaming site Gamasutra with features dynamic mix of round-ups, columnists, and insights by publisher Simon Carless that never fail to stimulate.
Let me qualify that: it never failed to stimulate prior to reading “The Most Egregious Tale Ever Committed to Word Processor”—the latest “Bell, Game, and Candle” column from Alex Litel.
That feeling was provocation from this trash wannabe postmodern fiction guised as being about games; I felt a neoteric assault on my writerly ethos. But expressing such guided outrage is hardly professional, so that is where this Tumblog comes in.
I intended for a constant indignation, because wholesale, writing and reportage about games is garbage undeserving of respect. Other commitments came in that way, and it pains me that I have to write about my abominable inspiration for the third time.
But I do.
His first column of the new year, “A Primer on the Future of Games as Art” perfectly recreated that revulsion. Yes, more trash wannabe postmodern fiction guised as being about games.
This time, the recidivist travels into the future and meets himself in an adventure that needs a fucking deconstruction; if not for the title and intro, I would have had no clue what the hell this was about. (Actually, that may be improvised and misleading.)
In fact, I’d question that it is even a column, as much as it is the recidivist’s rejected submission to some literary journal.
Even more depressing is that in this dour media economy that someone gets away with getting paid for textual onanism, when there are litany of far more deserving, far better writers who would love the opportunity to do a “column” such as this.
Who wrote that Alex? It's possibly the worst written, thesaurus-heavy critique I have read in a long time. Makes comic-book guy seem positively normal.
His thesaurus failed after guised was mentioned more than once.
I honestly don't know. It just came up as a Google Alert one day.
Wasn't it David Jaffe or something? Or at least "David Jaffe"?
"Yes."
In short, it’s what the Batman game all the others should have been.In terms of presentation, Batman is clearly up to par.The voice acting in the game is very well.After switching gears to the night race scene for a couple of games, the Need for Speed series reinvents itself once again.
Fuck you Jose Liz.
Your god damn need for speed shift review is barely half a page long, uncritical, and just a re-purposing of the PR sheet.
This meta forum/journalism sniping has me extremely confused. Why doesn't Jose Liz come into this thread to respond to people yelling at him?
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