Reply With QuoteI read the same article at ABCNews. The indictment stands as much chance as a snowball in hell of going anywhere, but its certainly funny (and deserved, as well).Originally Posted by Darkstar One
I read the same article at ABCNews. The indictment stands as much chance as a snowball in hell of going anywhere, but its certainly funny (and deserved, as well).
Bush can't pardon people who aren't convicted yet, right?
Wanna bet?
Rumors are swirling that he's going to issue blanket pardons for everyone and everything connected to his office.
Of course he can. Just read about the Nixon pardon for details. The president can issue a blanket pardon for any offense ever committed, whether charges have been brought or not, that extends into the indefinite future.
Seriously? You guys sound more like a banana republic every day.
"We guys" have been that way since 1787.
They've been talking about this case for months on Howard Stern's show, before the original investigation even began, ever since Kenneth Keith Kallenbach died at one of the prisons after being refused medical care.
Follow up to my previous post: just to clarify, I hate the pardon power. It's been horribly abused by presidents from all parties. However, it's been part of the US system of checks and balances for 230 years, so I don't think your "more like a banana republic every day" line shows much awareness of our system and its history.
The correct term is "Tobacco Republic".
Remember, the pardons will allow the country to move on.
I'm counting the days until Bush pardons him and the rest of his cronies.
Accepting a pardon implies an admission of guilt. Do you think his personality is such that rather than admit guilt, he would reject the pardon?
Will everyone just stand idly by while the most loathed President in recent memory pardons a machiavellian Vice President potentially guilty of crimes against humanity?
That's accountability, right there.
Edit: Nevermind, this indictment appears to be related to his other criminal activity. Brilliant. Well, if they throw enough shit at him, something will stick.
No. I would expect a convoluted rationale attached to the acceptance, "In order to avoid specious charges in the future brought up by enemies of the Republic and Jesus, bla bla bla". But I would be surprised if Bush thought it was necessary. I don't think he respects his opposition enough, and I'm not sure I do either.
The internets told me that the President can only pardon people convicted of a federal crime. They'd have to get the current gov of Texas to do the pardon.
Of course they would. Half the population of Alaska voted for Ted Stevens despite the fact that he was found guilty of accepting bribes.Will everyone just stand idly by while the most loathed President in recent memory pardons a machiavellian Vice President potentially guilty of crimes against humanity?
Yes but we get cool clothes because of it.
This is hilarious. Charging him with owning shares of Vanguard which makes him guilty of assaulting prisoners. LOL! The south Texas grand juries have always been a source of humor.
Of all things Cheney is ACTUALLY guilty of, and this silly thing goes through, LOL!.
Two points:
1) Go look up how they got Al Capone.
2) Is this any less ridiculous than claiming the VP is neither a member of the Executive or Congressional branches?
This is completely ridiculous and believe me I'm no fan of Cheney. Al Capone actually did commit tax evasion. Owning shares of stock being equal to assaulting prisoners, etc. is just ludicrous. You wanna get Cheney, file real charges and get him.
Like I said, this south Texas grand jury has long been known as a source of humor.
You didn't read the article did you. Otherwise you would never have said anything that ridiculous.
The seven indictments made public in Willacy County on Tuesday included one naming state Sen. Eddie Lucio Jr. and some targeting public officials connected to District Attorney Juan Angel Guerra's own legal battles.Guerra himself was under indictment for more than a year and half until a judge dismissed the indictments last month. Guerra's tenure ends this year after nearly two decades in office. He lost convincingly in a Democratic primary in March.Cheney is charged with engaging in an organized criminal activity related to the vice president's investment in the Vanguard Group, which holds financial interests in the private prison companies running the federal detention centers. It accuses Cheney of a conflict of interest and "at least misdemeanor assaults" on detainees because of his link to the prison companies.Last month, Banales dismissed indictments that charged Guerra with extorting money from a bail bond company and using his office for personal business. An appeals court had earlier ruled that a special prosecutor was improperly appointed to investigate Guerra.
After Guerra's office was raided as part of the investigation early last year, he camped outside the courthouse in a borrowed camper with a horse, three goats and a rooster. He threatened to dismiss hundreds of cases because he believed local law enforcement had aided the investigation against him.
Yes this is completely about Cheney and totally not an attempt by the DA, Guerra, to grab some media attention while engaging in reprisals. It is absolutely like the case against Capone.
Just to reinforce how ridiculous this is, Cheney is being indicted for holding shares in VANGUARD. One of the funds under the Vanguard umbrella happens to have shares in some local prison outfits. You've heard of Vanguard, right? The mutual fund that proved mutual funds could, in fact, make a profit?
This is seriously the most hilarious piece of bullshit ever created by man. This dumbass managed to find the one thing that Cheney could not possibly be in any way guilty of!
Last edited by Aeon221; 11-19-2008 at 09:17 AM.
Well, this is disturbing news. I also own shares in Vanguard. Looks like I'm moving to Mexico!
Yeah me too. And I can't believe I wasn't consulted before they started slapping those prisoners.
Seriously, you lose credibility when your hatred for someone makes you try to attach any credibility to the totally stupid.
I've never been assaulted in a state prison, but it's kind of sad that it takes this lunacy to get any attention to the matter. I guess I'm sensitive because yet another local inmate looks like he's about to be cleared by DNA evidence 20 years after getting locked up. Damn, that would suck. Oh, and another local jail inmate got killed recently by some random waste of oxygen.
Is that the executive Cheney, or the Congressional Cheney?
This is the sort of Cheney up with which I will not put!
What about the time he shot that guy in face.
Who else has a Cheney thing? McCullough?
Nah, I saw McCullough's thing in the locker room after we played handball. It doesn't look anything like Cheney.
If you know what I mean, and I think you do.
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