Although ... another excuse for Martin to not finish the series :/.
Eh can't get search to work or I woulda found the earlier thread. But the good news is.. HBO has officially greenlit Game of Thrones!
SPOILER WARNING:HBO Green-Lights Martin's Thrones
HBO has given a green light to production on the pilot for a fantasy drama series, Game of Thrones, based on a book series by George R.R. Martin, Variety reported.
The pilot for the long-gestating project was written by feature scribes David Benioff and D.B. Weiss. Former HBO entertainment president Carolyn Strauss will serve as a co-executive producer, along with Guymon Cassidy, Vincent Gerardis and author Martin.
HBO acquired the TV adaptation rights to Martin's Songs of Ice and Fire book series nearly two years ago.
The pilot for the HBO series is described as an exploration of an epic struggle for power set in a vast and violent fantasy kingdom.
THIS IS THE MOTHER OF ALL FREAKING GAME OF THRONES SPOILER THREADS.
DON'T EVEN THINK OF PARTAKING IN THIS THREAD IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE LATEST BOOK IN THE SERIES.
Last edited by Alan Dunkin; 04-30-2013 at 03:12 PM.
Although ... another excuse for Martin to not finish the series :/.
Hm. I wonder if it will have nudity and graphic violence in it.
Wonderful! I may just have to subscribe to HBO here in 2009 now.
How wrong is it that I am really hoping for a hot, twin sex scene? Yeah, that's pretty wrong. Forbidden love FTW!
The Lannister sex scenes would be great, especially since they're supposed to be hot and all.
As for Tyrion? Not so much. It's bad enough that he gets more sex scenes than anyone else. Worse still that his scenes happen to be extremely graphic compared to the others, which seem incredibly mild.
So which will come first: Dance with Dragons, or the series?
The series. Martin does not have a long and glorious history of getting things done. Quite the opposite, in fact. One book per 5 years, if we're lucky. In the meantime, I've grown to love Steven Erikson's books.
Pretty good analysis of this here.
But before the series can get on the air, the producers first have to slay a more formidable threat than any dragon: pilot competitors. HBO has 10 other pilots in contention for series orders. Though the network declines to project how many shows will receive an order since HBO doesn’t need to fill a specific number of time-periods like broadcasters, at least six are expected to get a pickup.
Also, the success of “True Blood” may work in “Thrones'” favor. HBO has always sought to defy any sort of specific genre branding for their network, emphasizing that each project is judged on its own merits. Yet given how the vampire drama continues to gain viewers, and how Showtime’s swords-and-monarchy historical drama “The Tudors” has performed strongly, it’s not unreasonable to believe the network may see “Thrones” as a good fit.
Ugh. I wish they'd wait until he finishes the bloody series. I'd hate to have another Deadwood come out of HBO.
I, too, turned to Steven Erikson after waiting so long for Martin to get more work done (oh, plus I thought Feast For Crows just sat there on the page like a dead fish on the surface of a stagnant pond) and I'm much happier in the world of Malaz than Westeros.
Don't suck. Don't suck. Don't suck.
So what're the rules in showing minors having sex?
The show wont last for more than a season because period dramas always cost way too much money to produce due to the sets and makeup. Unless they make it shitty like Xena.
Hey, Xena was hot...ok well just a little really....
I think we will never see the last book.
Erikson started a bit rough, with characters that seemed rather pale compared to Martin's work, but Erikson's evolved since then (since the second book, in fact. Deadhouse Gates is awesome) and I've since become much more connected to some of his characters than I have with Martin's in the long term.
I think much of that has to do with the pacing (Come on, give me another Tyrion chapter god damn it. What's this? A new POV about a character I don't care about? Say it isn't so, Martin! Say it isn't so!) and the fact that Martin has a nasty tendency of having characters you're attached to die ignoble deaths.
That's not to say that Martin is bad or anything. He's got some freaking awesome scenes that contrast sharply to the rest of the book, because of how action packed they are and stuff like the sword fight in Book 3 or the stabbity stab in Book 1. Or hell, the dinner. It's right up there with Erikson's Shield Anvil stuff.
But yeah, it's pacing. Erikson pretty much keeps you gripped to the edge of your seat and he doesn't disappoint. You know that your favorite character's turn to come won't be long as you're reading through another one of your favorite characters. By the time you're done with one character and he switches to the next you'll actually be wishing that he'd kept writing about that one character, and then you feel that way about the next, and so on. It's great.
Martin on the other hand might take about 200 pages for you to get back to Tyrion or Arya or something and that's just annoying because you don't know what the hell happened during all that time. And some of his POV characters are uninteresting, so it doesn't help.
Same here. One of the worst thing about fantasy books is that, no matter what, the hero is going to make it out alive.
Not so with George R. R. Martin.
"Surely he will be fi....*THWACK* .....oh damn...."
Lots of characters die in Steven Erikson's stuff, too. Some of them even die ignoble deaths. But the way Martin does it just kind of annoys me.
See, he kills them for the sake of killing them just to make the plot go haywire. Killing them is a plot device to enact more zany shit, really, and when that becomes evident, it gets really old.
I understand the frustration with Martin's writing pace, but comparing him to Erikson? Puh-lease. I know this is the hive-mind that actually likes the LotR movies, and thus has little if any critical taste <g>, but having just read the Malazan books 5-7 I can say they may be epic in scale and effort, but not in prose or pacing. Each book is a f'n utterly formulaic 500-600 page buildup to an occasionally entertaining conclusion (though book 7 was a huge letdown).
Isn't it time we moved this to a casting game? Here's a list from some real nerds.
Mostly way off I think (Rutger Hauer?! We need someone who can act), but the kid from Rome as Joffrey is perfect. I also can't really argue with Vinnie Jones for Gregor Clegane.
The danger of killing off well-loved characters is that you're basically losing all the equity you've built up in them with the fanbase. All that work pays off in one big dramatic moment, and that's all you get, unless you pull a cheat and resurrect them (which far too many writers have given into the temptation to do, *cough*josswhedon*cough*). It gives you lots of street cred to say that your characters don't have "script immunity," but I can understand why writers would balk at throwing away valuable assets that they took a long time to craft. Particularly if they are writing in an open-ended structure where the end isn't clearly known ahead of time.
Erikson kills characters, but he writes about everything like he's a historian chronicling the past. You don't get shocked by major character deaths or attached to much of anyone, really, because it's all just "what happened". At least for me.
I wonder what Game of Thrones might look like if IG (or a similar high profile studio) got contracted to turn it into an animated series. I'm not sure what the cost is compared to live-action, but I have a feeling, it'd be cheaper.
Certainly over-budget, but these are the types I'd be looking for:
Jamie Lannister: James McAvoy
Cersei Lannister: Kristen Bell
Tyrion Lannister: Zeljko Ivanek
Eddard Stark: Terry Kinney
Catelyn Stark: Molly Parker
Jon Snow: Jonathan Rhys Meyers
Arya Stark: Ellen Page
Daenerys: Anna Popplewell
Joffrey: Tom Felton
I could also see Georgie Henley making a really good Arya, or for that matter, all four kids from Chronicles of Narnia as the Stark children.