I don't know a single Chinese man or woman who thinks she's good looking.Originally Posted by John Reynolds
?? That's a first, because I usually hear from my MIS co-workers how hot they all think she is. Meh.
I don't know a single Chinese man or woman who thinks she's good looking.?? That's a first, because I usually hear from my MIS co-workers how hot they all think she is. Meh.
Maybe it has to do with a certain degree of racial or cultural "exposure", as it were. When you're raised and immersed in a particular racial culture for most of your life, you're exposed to a greater variance in appearances for that race, and thus will develop a racial-focused view of beauty. When you are not, a certain degree of "exoticness" expresses itself and colors the perception of beauty.I don't know a single Chinese man or woman who thinks she's good looking.?? That's a first, because I usually hear from my MIS co-workers how hot they all think she is. Meh.
It may explain why some of my friends and I will often see non-Asian guys in relationships with Asian girls they swear are God's gift to man, but who may seem "bleh" to us. Perhaps Asian upbringing and cultural immersion has given us a broader view of Asian women, and thus a differing, or perhaps more refined, view of Asian beauty. I'm sure this can apply to many racial cultures around the world.
Good point, balut. I've seen a similar theory applied to the "Why do other races all look the same?" question. There's pretty much no doubt in my mind that a white person is better at differentiating between similar-looking white people than a black person is, and vice-versa. One theory I've read--and it sounds believable, although it's not like I'm any kind of psychologist or scientist--is that people learn to differentiate what differentiates their race. So for whites, most of the time they'll notice (and describe, if you ask them for a description of a person) things like hair color, eye color, and height. Because those are the things that vary a lot for whites. OTOH, people of races without a lot of variation in things like hair or eye color (e.g., blacks, Asians), they notice and describe things like hair texture, size and shape of nose or lips, smaller variations in skin tone, etc. Interesting stuff.
I wouldn't call it so much a racial question as the cause of the whole racial question. You compare people to you, and yourself to people, all through your life, intensely so. In addition to white kids growing up in "white areas" and black kids growing up in "black areas" (sadly), I think it may be that we pay more attention to difference the closer someone is to us. We know what separates us from our brothers and/or sisters very well, though other people might find us similar, for instance. When you get further out the scale, the details aren't significant enough for us to really register, unless you know the person.One theory I've read--and it sounds believable, although it's not like I'm any kind of psychologist or scientist--is that people learn to differentiate what differentiates their race.
Then we have the regrettable "I am the group I belong to"-mentality which leads to having race issues.
Or something like that.
I'm a Lucy Liu fan. :)
Also looking forward to seeing the movies before they come out on DVD.
I'm a big Tarantino fan, PF is my favorite movie of all time, but I'm not going to do the two-trips-to-the-theater thing for Kill Bill. Sorry, Q, can't help ya.
For me, it'll be just another movie in my Netflix queue when it hits DVD.
Races just find attractive what is uncommon in their race ('cept for blacks and latinos, they both love big bootie). Lucy Liu (though a half-breed) looks very typically Asian. The best example of what many Chinese deem "pretty" is Kristen Kruek who is, herself, half white and half Chinese.
Uh, Lucy Liu is fully Chinese, dude. I have no strong opinion on her looks, I just find her annoying for claiming she speaks fluent Mandarin, much in the same way that Mira Sorvino used to.
As for what many Chinese deem "pretty", that's a pretty awesome generalization. I've heard arguments from people that say Gong Li is the classic Chinese beauty, as well as other people telling me that they've heard the entire mainland Chinese population thinks she's ugly.
More importantly, why do Chinese girls go for white guys but white girls don't go for chinese guys? Come on!
(And yes, Lucy Liu is pretty nasty)
Because Chinese guys are socially maladjusted?
Then why does Lucy Liu have freckles?Uh, Lucy Liu is fully Chinese, dude. I have no strong opinion on her looks, I just find her annoying for claiming she speaks fluent Mandarin, much in the same way that Mira Sorvino used to.
As for what many Chinese deem "pretty", that's a pretty awesome generalization. I've heard arguments from people that say Gong Li is the classic Chinese beauty, as well as other people telling me that they've heard the entire mainland Chinese population thinks she's ugly.
I don't think freckles are unique to one race. I've seen light skinned people of afro-american heritage with freckles.
As for Lucy Liu's parents, here's a quote from an interview.
"The daughter of Chinese immigrants, Liu grew up in Queens, New York and studied Asian culture at university."
Eat a dick, Jason McCullough. Or would that be an example of my "social maladjustment"?
It's good to know that Quarter to Three is on the cutting edge of race discussions. Stick to the video games, folks.
Jason's a seething cauldron of racial hatred. He does not speak for the rest of us!
I must say I was quite suprised to see such a racist comment coming from our resident liberal. Are you showing your true colors now Jason? This statement is very similar to Cleve and Hermy's comments about all members of a particular race being rapists.
Chinese people (unless they are from Xinjiang, which she probably isn't) don't have freckles.I don't think freckles are unique to one race. I've seen light skinned people of afro-american heritage with freckles.
As for Lucy Liu's parents, here's a quote from an interview.
"The daughter of Chinese immigrants, Liu grew up in Queens, New York and studied Asian culture at university."
It's not fair. How come people don't get mad at me when I make racial comments?
Well, you're dirt.
Sort of. But it would be an AWESOME example of anatomical maladjustment if you tried to force the issue.Eat a dick, Jason McCullough. Or would that be an example of my "social maladjustment"?
Did I miss the part where it became socially acceptable to be a preening drama queen around here? Buddy, I'd brand you a monocle-popping fruit, but I know you can't fit one in them screwy eyesockets, anyhow. So I'll just let it drop.It's good to know that Quarter to Three is on the cutting edge of race discussions. Stick to the video games, folks.
First funny thing Jason says in a while and you have to ruin it with a hissy fit.
It's only racist to racists, or to insecure folks spoiling for a self-righteous tirade. Get a grip. McCullough has not changed a bit, and the sun will still rise tomorrow.
McCullough: Worse Than Hitler. This is a wonderful turn of events.This statement is very similar to Cleve and Hermy's comments about all members of a particular race being rapists.
Man. If we could have sigs in this forum, that would HAVE to be Jason's. Maybe Mark/Tom could make it his title? "Worse Than Hitler."
But in Latin.
Am I just socially maladjusted, or is was that the funniest thing you read in the last half-hour?
I think some people here need to get a sense of humor.
Will this do?But in Latin.
De mal me paists
None of those words are hitler, Mach.Will this do?But in Latin.
De mal me paists
Sorry Lizard King, I don't see your logic here. Jason made a blanket negative statement about all members of a particular ethnic group. How exactly is it racist to believe that his statement is racist.It's only racist to racists
Well, that's only logically true if you think Cleve and Hermy are as bad as Hitler. I'm not fans of either one, but I'll take them both before Hitler. But of course, I completely understand if you prefer Hitler.
I'll break it down for you, Barney style. There is literal racism, which is the sort that you are invoking here, which is a simple use of race as a means of rational categorization. "That man is black" is technically a racist statement.
However, you are accusing Jason, and probably me, etc, of an irrational hatred of people because of their race, the "other" racism. You know, the one that people are hardly ever accused of when they make, say, a blanket positive statement about a particular group. While the line between the two can often be blurred, it is an important difference. The most credible means of distinguishing which is which (especially once satire is involved) is usually to apply context and what else you know about a person.
The factor that ties all of this together here is that your criticism of McCullough, and probably a lot of other things if it's gotten this far, is based on the fact that you have no sense of humour, and therefore no chance of discerning satire and absurdity in statements that are facially offensive. Mind you, I don't doubt you have a good chortle at the occasional pun or "Full House" rerun, but there are different types, sometimes delineated by intelligence/education and other times as a simple matter of taste. Now, if you want to revamp your accusation to "Jason is occasionally tasteless! OHNOS!" that's something we can agree on.
I don't know anything about what Cleve or Hermy may or may not have said as I wasn't around when they did it, but based on your performance in this thread thus far I am inclined to give them both the benefit of the doubt.
Either way, your understanding of deduction is nearly as awe-inspiring as your grasp of wit. So far you're 0/2.
If McCullough gets "Worse than Hitler", I want "Eva Braun" as my title. I don't want there to be any doubt about my strong advocacy on behalf of the Nazi party, and white supremacists in general. *** ALERT *** ALERT *** LISTEN OH STUPID AND/OR POLITICALLY CORRECT FORUMITES: THE PRECEDING STATEMENT IS "SARCASM". LIVE AND LEARN ****
Dude, did you just say you want to be Jason's mistress?
I don't know if I'm rugged enough for someone that's worse than Hitler. Good old Adolf is enough of a handful, mmkay?Dude, did you just say you want to be Jason's mistress?
So basically you're saying that Jason's statement:I'll break it down for you, Barney style. There is literal racism, which is the sort that you are invoking here, which is a simple use of race as a means of rational categorization. "That man is black" is technically a racist statement.
is simply a rational categorization and is roughly on the order of "That man is black"?
FWIW I am almost always in agreement with Jason on his posts and post in support of him. I have no idea what he thinks of my posting, but I have generally a very positive feeling about him. I assume from his past posting record that he finds racism repugnant. As a fellow "liberal" I thought he might want to reconsider his post and evaulate if that sort of blanket racial statement was something he wanted to make.
Perhaps I do lack a sense of humor. Perhaps Jason meant his comment strictly as a joke. However, I should point out that humor and racism have a long an intimate history. There was a time not to long ago when making fun of different races was considered very funny and quite acceptable. You might still think so, but based on Jason's past posting record, I assume he does not.
Lizard, I don't expect to reach any agreement with you on this issue. I'm not inclined to get into an argument with you on the merits of "Political Correctness". I think some of this comes down to values, which are not necessarily something that can be argued about. You and I clearly have different values and I don't expect to change that. However, I believe that Jason and I largely have similar values, and I wanted to point out to Jason that I believe his statement was indeed racist. If he choses to discuss it I will continue the discussion.
No, I said that invoking "blanket statement about an ethnic group" gives you a litmus test for rational categorization, only. Clearer this time?So basically you're saying that Jason's statement:
is simply a rational categorization and is roughly on the order of "That man is black"?
CALIFORNIA! UBER ALLES!FWIW I am almost always in agreement with Jason on his posts and post in support of him. I have no idea what he thinks of my posting, but I have generally a very positive feeling about him. I assume from his past posting record that he finds racism repugnant. As a fellow "liberal" I thought he might want to reconsider his post and evaulate if that sort of blanket racial statement was something he wanted to make.
Perhaps I do lack a sense of humor. Perhaps Jason meant his comment strictly as a joke. However, I should point out that humor and racism have a long an intimate history. There was a time not to long ago when making fun of different races was considered very funny and quite acceptable. You might still think so, but based on Jason's past posting record, I assume he does not.
Lizard, I don't expect to reach any agreement with you on this issue. I'm not inclined to get into an argument with you on the merits of "Political Correctness". I think some of this comes down to values, which are not necessarily something that can be argued about. You and I clearly have different values and I don't expect to change that. However, I believe that Jason and I largely have similar values, and I wanted to point out to Jason that I believe his statement was indeed racist. If he choses to discuss it I will continue the discussion.
Fair enough. I guess I'll just have to steer clear of internal "liberal" clique corrections. We over at the VRWC usually just beat the whipping boys when we're upset at one another. It's very therapeutic.
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