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Families Live in Fear of Midnight Call by US Patrols
by Daniel McGrory in Baghdad
NEVER again did families in Baghdad imagine that they need fear the midnight knock at the door.
But in recent weeks there have been increasing reports of Iraqi men, women and even children being dragged from their homes at night by American patrols, or snatched off the streets and taken, hooded and manacled, to prison camps around the capital.How about that freedom?One of the most disturbing incidents concerns Sufiyan Abd al-Ghani, 11, who was with his uncle in a car that was stopped near his home in Hay al-Jihad at just after 10pm on May 27. The boy’s father heard a commotion and rushed outside to see him sprawled face down on the road with a rifle muzzle pressed against his neck and US officers shouting that someone in the car had shot at them.
Sufiyan was made to stay on the ground for three hours, while more than 100 soldiers poured into the neighborhood, searching houses and cars. Eventually he was taken away with his hands trussed behind his back and a hood draped over his head. No weapon had been found. The boy said that soldiers dug rifle butts into his neck and back and that the first night he was handcuffed and left alone in a tiny room open to the sky.
The following day he was moved to the airport, where he said for eight days he shared a tent with 22 adults, sleeping on the dirt, with no water to wash or change his clothes.
Sufiyan said that he was pulled from the tent one morning, hooded and manacled again, and driven to Sarhiyeh prison, to be kept in a room with 20 other youths aged 15 or 16 — regarded as minors by the Geneva Convention.
A woman inmate took his name and details and when she was released she alerted Sufiyan’s family. On June 21, the family obtained an injunction from a judge ordering the boy’s release, but they were told at the prison that the signature of an Iraqi judge no longer had legal authority. Even when an American military lawyer demanded his freedom, US troops refused to release him until the lawyer appeared at the prison. Privately US military lawyers say that they are appalled at how some of the arrests are being carried out.
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Can you corroborate this story from a major media outlet or anything even remotely resembling an unbiased source?
If it's true it concerns me.
Just remember that you're the one that disbelieves all the stories coming from Iraq until they've been validated for a few months...I'm following your lead here.
I believe it. And it's only logical, seeing how the US soldiers there have been set up as targets. People are going to over-react to any potential threat. Which will of course only increase the Iraqi anger. Good morning, Viettttnammmmmm!
Oh, it *could* be fake, but which has been more reliable so far, when it comes to Iraq? News out of the UK, or news out of the US?
Let's see, George W. Hussan? No. How about Saddam Bush? No that won't work either. ...
This is not a good thing, especially when we're trying to win their "hearts and minds".
I've read that US soldiers search homes of people who are detained on the streets. This story sounds like it could be an exaggeration/garbling of that. I've certainly never seen anything like this from a reliable news source, whether British or American. If it's true, it's certainly bad.
Any moral high ground that we used to have over there has now turned into a very deep hole. Time to bring the boys back home.
Duh! Why'd they go in the first place? They leave behind a nation more unstable than ever.Originally Posted by Peter Frazier
Don't you think that would be pretty irresponsible? What a cluster f*ck that would be with Saddam still on the loose.Originally Posted by Peter Frazier
We could always turn it over to the UN. Boy, would Bush ever have to suck up though.....
He wouldn't have to suck anything, the UN wolves are drooling at the prospects of administering Iraq with the help of the US millitary. They want their greedy little hands on any piece they can get their hands back on. They dearly miss their 2% commission on the oil for food program.
I don't think anybody would want anything to do with that country for any price. It looks like a tar-baby already. A few warning signs should have flashed when the first words that the grateful citizens said were 'Thanks for freeing us, now fuck off.'
Does anyone know what the best method for dealing with insurrection is? I'm wondering if the Israeli method is the one US troops should be following.
Starvation, curfews, collective imprisionment, group punishments, random demolition of homes, and Apache Assassinations of people who maybe sorta look like the people you think you might want? Hey, why not! It's worked so well for the Israelis. I mean, that's a pretty secure place right now, right, guys?Originally Posted by Peter Frazier
Holy fuck no. That would be much worse.Originally Posted by Peter Frazier
Best way? Sure, don't get involved with an invasion.Does anyone know what the best method for dealing with insurrection is?
Best way? Derive it of popular support by making being part of society preferrable. Only way, really.Originally Posted by Peter Frazier
And the Israeli method wouldn't work because 1. can't really say it's working for them and 2. the Palestinians are not Israeli citizens, which anyone in the Iraqi situation would likely be.
Maybe, but I can't help but think that there's some 'expert' with the US forces saying something like 'The Iraqis respect a strong hand. Saddam had them under control and it's the only way we can do it is to make them fear us. They view kindness as weakness.'