04-07-2009, 09:27 AM
Fran's is in POP, or are you talking about Jason's compilation?
04-07-2009, 12:04 PM
I was referring to Jason's compilation, which looks pretty darn interesting overall :)
Originally Posted by ~EFG~
04-07-2009, 12:06 PM
Yeah, I didn't see Francesco or Oscuro in Jason's list -- presumably something else in there does something similar though?
04-07-2009, 12:48 PM
I explicitly avoided the mods changing level scaling because 1) they looked like a total nightmare to get working and conflict free and 2) I don't really care that much. You're free to extract it over at the end, but I dunno if it'll work.
04-07-2009, 03:24 PM
Augh I'm just having no luck with this at all (remember my earlier post that I had zero crashes ever, and this is the same computer as I was using then. Oblivion never crashed before I installed these mods).
I've now run into the bug where every hour or so my computer just restarts. I tried googling it and found a gamespot thread where someone had a similar problem, someone else offered a link as a solution, and the OP responded that the solution in the link worked and the problem was fixed, but no-one ever actually said what the link contained and the link is now dead (Arg!). Does anyone know what causes the "computer restarts every hour" bug or how to solve it?
My only theory is that StreamPurge is causing my graphics card to overheat, it's a 256mb card and I have streampurge set to 2, but the thread that offered the ghost solution explicitly stated that the problem was not due to an overheating graphics card.
04-07-2009, 04:11 PM
The problem is due to an overheating graphics card.
Originally Posted by ~EFG~
Or overheating CPU.
Or overheating motherboard.
Dial back some of the graphics mods and that should help.
04-07-2009, 04:24 PM
How much hassle would be involved in just completely disabling all the taxing graphics mods? I'm thinking about going back to vanilla Oblivion textures and disabling the unique landscapes mod. The funny thing is I never even touched VWD/LOD mods, my computer probably would have caught on fire if I had :)
EDIT: My graphics card is clearly the weak link in my system. It's an nVidia GeForce 7600 GS (256mb). I have an Athlon 64 x2 3800+ proc, which should be more than sufficient for Oblivion.
04-07-2009, 04:37 PM
Oblivion makes heavy, heavy use of Video Ram. 256mb is about as low as you can go and do any texture modding. Try re-installing QTP3 redimized and further reduced and go with the biggest reduction it'll allow when it prompts you. That will give you some texture modification without laying too heavily on the GPU.
Originally Posted by ~EFG~
04-07-2009, 04:54 PM
I know my graphics card is terrible, and that's why I chose the most reduced option the first time I did it. Sigh, disabling it caused me to crash while fast travelling. I'm going to completely uninstall everything and start out with a clean slate, only this time I'm going to disable HDR from the start and turn down my graphics settings so I can get 30-40 fps on average and then just skip everything in the graphics folder other than the UI mods and the non-taxing environment mods (I really like darker dungeons, lava, low-poly grass will help, real night sky, the moons, and the sunglare but the rest I can do without to preserve stability).
04-07-2009, 08:42 PM
So what exactly am I supposed to do with Jason's list? Just download everything and install it one by one starting from first to last on the list? I'm assuming that is how it works but with Oblivion you never know.
04-08-2009, 08:39 AM
Nothing, I was just posting a explanation of what's in it. I need to do the work remaining tasks below before I can upload the installer anywhere.
Originally Posted by Marcus
04-09-2009, 08:07 PM
The resurgence of this thread was the catalyst for me launching oblivion up for the first time in months.
I love the idea a single download that has a bunch of hand picked mods with instructions on installing them. Between the [poop] torrent I grabbed the other day and Jason's giant list-o-links, I was up to the proverbial quarter to three last night, reading Triggercut's documentation and testing various mods.
Not only do the mods themselves impress me, but the tools, documentation, and the sheer number of mods really stand out and give this game additional life. In my case enough life, for me to decided to pick up shivering Isles and that knights of the nine pack and then do a clean install so I start loading up on mods from a clean slate. Heck maybe by then Jason will have his app completed :)
04-09-2009, 08:18 PM
I would like to get to Morrowind sometime, but might have to go do Shivering Isles with the Jason pack just to honor another modset from an immense amount of work behind it. Loved POOP, and interested in trying this pack out too when it's ready.
04-09-2009, 10:40 PM
Generally, you will like Morrowind if you start with it first, but if you go from Oblivion to Morrowind you are probably going to hate it. Morrowind had a lot of really stupid shit that Oblivion fixed, like a terrible combat/magic system and ridiculous quests (wander the desert until you see two pointy rocks, go between two pointy rocks to find the magical ancestor cave).
Originally Posted by Tim James
04-09-2009, 10:55 PM
That quest. THAT GODDAMN QUEST. F@)*@A@PKA@)%U@
Originally Posted by ~EFG~
04-09-2009, 11:13 PM
That's not to say the rest of the MQ was easy either, finding the random ass tribes in the desert was no picnic.
04-10-2009, 12:57 AM
I've actually got fonder memories of Morrowind's main quest because of things like that. Pain in the ass when you're actually doing it, but the difficulty gives you more of a sense of accomplishment than Oblivion's quest arrows really allowed. Admittedly all you're accomplishing is finding a few tents out in the desert in a game, but the feeling's there none the less.
04-10-2009, 07:46 AM
How To Go
My thoughts exactly. Oblivion's quests were by far better, but I loved the world of Morrowind and quests where you have to decipher ancient texts to figure out where to go and what to do.
One of the best quests in Oblivion, for me, was the one given by one of the city's countesses to find an ancient Alkavari artifact she wanted. She gives you a journal of a journey, a hand drawn map, and you have to go from there and just follow the clues. No pointers, no compass. I love shit like that.
The main quest with the sun and the Imperial tower was also pretty cool.
04-10-2009, 09:14 AM
Wasn't the quest with the Sun and White Gold Tower part of the Thieves' Guild line? I'm thinking of the quest where you find the secret passage into the tower in the gardens to go steal something, maybe you are thinking of something else.
04-10-2009, 06:06 PM
Nope, I think they are talking about the main quest, only for the fact that I just did it the other day.
That said, I haven't done much with the Thieves Guild.
04-12-2009, 12:54 PM
That link doesn't really illustrate the correlation to the Sun touching the Tower, but some Googling shows that you are right, it's part of the MQ. (It's the quest preceding that one, you linked to the infiltration quest but the Sun part is the quest in which you are trying to find out where the Dagon shrine is).
Kind of another "lol" moment: for some reason a level 100 traveller was spawned in Anvil and was hostile to the guards. She was a magic user and so managed to kill about 5 guards and 3 townspeople before they took her down. I helped kill her initially (4000 exp - that's an immediate level-up and a half) but when I dealt the killing blow the guards came after me for murder so I reloaded and just watched her fight the whole town. It was pretty funny, everytime a guard fell a townsperson would run over, pick up the guard's sword and continue the fight.
Anyways, does anyone know what exactly causes the massive instability in POOP? I'm willing to go through the whole process one more time if I know which mods to leave out, since I'm getting an alarming number of CTDs while fast-travelling and when I initiate sneak mode.
05-27-2009, 06:53 PM
Anyone ever have a CTD immediately after finishing the "Start Here!" instructions? I've fully completed the first set of patches and installed OBSE and the tutorial skipping mod and am getting a CTD before the game even loads. No music, no videos, just a window and then poof! I had POOP running on a GTS 8600 a few months ago with no problems and am now running a GTX 280. Could that be a problem?
05-27-2009, 08:23 PM
Heh. POOP was installed and tested on a 280 GTX, so no, I don't think that's the problem.
05-27-2009, 08:27 PM
Durn. The disparity between the power of the two cards is huge so I can't wait to see the in-game difference, but heck if I know what's causing me to crash. I'll just re-install tomorrow and test it one piece at a time.
05-27-2009, 08:44 PM
CTD's with Oblivion mods are usually caused by either:
1. Mods loading out of order, or
2. Mods that require something to be present not finding that part present.
If it's the Start Here folder, I'd make sure that you don't have an active Unofficial patch for DLC that you haven't installed yet, or make sure the patch loads after the DLC.
05-27-2009, 08:50 PM
It was staring me right in the face. I looked at the Unofficial Horse Armor patch at least four times and thought nothing of it. "Of course I never bought the horse armor," I thought. "Laughable that they would even patch it!" I thought. Problem solved. Thanks trigger.
05-27-2009, 09:08 PM
08-30-2009, 06:24 AM
I'm installing this now, and I really appreciate that the readme files tell me not just what to do, but why I'm doing it. Excellent stuff. I like the mod selection too - I always liked Fran's over OOO or MMM or whatever the hell crazy stuff is out there now.
08-30-2009, 08:40 AM
I'm currently playing through it right now and it's amazing. What's even better is I've had almost no problems with it whatsoever, except for some crashes that I discovered was because I changed my sound setup. Whatever your sound setup is at the time of installation, keep it at that, otherwise the game crashes on startup.
Castle Glenvar is a tough quest as well. I don't want to spoil it but I'll just say that with the fixed levels in the world you probably shouldn't go take it on as a level 1 character, many of the enemies in there killed me in one attack when I tried.
08-30-2009, 12:16 PM
My biggest warning about POOP is not the frame rates, but the amazing zaps it put on your hard drive. There were times where I would literally sit there for just a minute, listening to the HD grind, have the game proceed a frame or two, then have it go batshit crazy again.