Getting ready to POOP again...[Oblivion Mods]

**Tim James** · 04-06-2009, 07:29 AM

Black screen is a common problem in their engine depending on your video card and other things. Do a web search and try a few things.

**Staff Sergeant** · 04-06-2009, 07:34 AM

I just sucked it up and disabled HDR. Things look worse but I can deal with that, I just hope that switching a video setting at the end of the process didn't fuck up any of the mods.

**triggercut** · 04-06-2009, 08:12 AM

For gosh sakes, turn HDR and bloom off. If you have the horses turn on AA. Game looks much better this way.

**Jason McCullough** · 04-06-2009, 08:37 AM

You know that mod rollup pack I started like two years ago? It's finally done - an entirely batch-file & WinRAR based installation system for about 150 mods.

Benefits:
1. End-users can just download the mods themselves from the included links rather than having to mess with torrenting gigabytes and gigabytes of files.
2. Don't need redistribution permissions because you're not redistributing anything.
3. Doesn't require learning the god-awful custom scripting and installation system in OBMM or Wyre Bash.
4. Very easy to keep up to date with new mod releases.
5. Already performance optimized.

Any interest in combining with what you're up to?

**EvilIdler** · 04-06-2009, 12:25 PM

Can you modify it into an InnoSetup script or something which automates the download and installation? :)

**Quaro** · 04-06-2009, 12:27 PM

That would be sweet. If he posts what he has someone else can take it the next level of automation. If the script itself downloads the mods from the net, the owners can hardly complain about redistribution. It's just a list of links.

**slikster** · 04-06-2009, 01:56 PM

How would one work around being required to be logged in to tes nexus to download the bigger files? Or can you direct link to their file servers?

**Jason McCullough** · 04-06-2009, 05:43 PM

The automated downloading part is what I couldn't figure out, really; it's almost all on tesnexus, which requires login. I'm sure I could hack up a policy-violating downloader that caches login cookies or something, but I'd really prefer not to.

Any ideas?

**Marcus** · 04-06-2009, 08:02 PM

I don't know but I hope that you come up with something. Getting and installing all of the mods is the worst part. I never fully got POOP to work correctly as many times as I tried. Honestly it was just too much work no matter how great the payoff.

**Quaro** · 04-06-2009, 08:42 PM

Maybe a Firefox plugin? I've seen autodownloader scripts, maybe there's some way to feed them a list of links and then you just need to login first manually.

**Jason McCullough** · 04-06-2009, 09:23 PM

Well yeah, but I doubt tesnexus.com would approve of me giving people a tool to download ~5 GB of content in one click.

**Marcus** · 04-06-2009, 09:33 PM

Well could I'd be interested in testing what you had out. I realize I'd have to download all the mod's individually but if they could just be downloaded into one folder then whatever you came up with does the rest then that would be nifty.

**Quaro** · 04-06-2009, 09:35 PM

As long as it only downloads one file at once it's the same thing the human would have had to do, right? It looks like you have to donate if you want speed greater than 150k anyway on that site, so you could plug their paid membership fee in the downloader.

**Jason McCullough** · 04-06-2009, 09:42 PM

Ah, it looks like they're ok with download managers for premium members. I'll ask in their forums and check out what they recommend; we may be limited to donation only (which you should anyway, for the pile you're about to download).

I need to apply the finishing touches to the perf optimization and I'll get under-one-meg batch file installer up for people to take a look.

**triggercut** · 04-06-2009, 09:47 PM

Jason--that whole deal sounds awesome. Some questions I have:

1. Is it at all modular, or a fire-and-forget? In other words, does the user have the ability to not install some items in your package, or is it "click, go have some pizza, come back and it's done."?

2. How up-to-date are you on some of the newest mods coming out (I'm really referring here to stuff like the newest builds of Enhanced Weather that add seasons, and the newly-reborn "All Natural" which I've been blown away by)?

3. If you need direct-download webhosting space, I have a ton of it and would be happy to let you take it.

FYI: POOPMods.com is live right now. This time tomorrow, I'm taking the big file for POOP v.2 off the server. If you wanted it, you'd better grab it now because it'll be gone for good after that.

**Marcus** · 04-06-2009, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by triggercut

or is it "click, go have some pizza, come back and it's done."?

God that is what he's done. I'd love that.

**Jason McCullough** · 04-06-2009, 09:58 PM

Ok, here's a better summary:

* 35 files scattered around the web you'll have to download manually (QTP, etc.) A few are multiple files to download, some of them huge.
* 168 links to tesnexus, many of them with multiple files.

Work remaining:
1. Fix up the last bits of section 13.
2. Backfill the specific individual file download links into the mod links.
3. Evaluate Oblivion Stutter Remover http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=23208
4. Put the whole thing in excel or something more manageable than notepad.
5. Include "downloaded files in the right subdirectories look like this" file map for manual downloaders.
5. Put

LAST UPDATE DATES FOR LISTED MODS
4/4/2009 07:45 PM http://www.bethsoft.com/bgsforums/in...p?showforum=25
3/28/2009 01:45 PM All mod download links checked

MODS START HERE
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01-Official
Shivering Isles Patch 1.2.0416 http://www.elderscrolls.com/download...es_patches.htm
Construction Kit v1.2.404 http://www.elderscrolls.com/download..._utilities.htm
Any DLC
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02-Prerequisites
Oblivion Mod Manager 1.1.12 http://timeslip.chorrol.com/obmm.html
Oblivion Script Extender 0016 http://obse.silverlock.org/
TES4LODGen 2.2.2 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=15781
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03-Patches
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ArchiveInvalidation Invalidated! 1.1 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=10724
Fast Exit 2.0 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22410
FormID Finder 27 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16704
Streamline 3.1 http://obse.silverlock.org/download/..._Open_Beta.exe http://obse.silverlock.org/download/...eta_Patch1.exe
The Unofficial Oblivion Patch Manual Version 3.2.0 http://www.baldurdash.org/TESOblivion/TESOblivion.html
The Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch Manual Version 1.4.0 http://baldurdash.org/TESOblivion/TESOblivion.html
The Unofficial Official Mods Patch Manual v15 Version 1. http://baldurdash.org/TESOblivion/TESOblivion.html
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04-QTP
Abnormal Caves http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=20778
Bomret's Texture Pack - Shivering Isles 1.0 http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modu...tails&lid=4314
QTP3 Redimized 1.0 http://devnull.devakm.googlepages.co...extureoverhaul
QTP3 Reduced 1.3 http://devnull.devakm.googlepages.co...extureoverhaul
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05-World
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Better Signs Uncompleted 1 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=5964
HTF Noise Replacer 11 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=9949
Improved Doors and Flora 1.1 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=8298
Improved Fruits Vegetables and Meats 1.0 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=10487
Improved Signs 1.1 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=9498
Improved Trees and Flora 1.0 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=8500
Improved Trees and Flora 2 1.0 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=11891
LBM Weathered Direction Signs 1.3.7 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=4165
Low Poly Grass 1.5 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=5434
Short Grass V3 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2069
Visually Realistic Lava 1.0 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=9820
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06-VWD
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Really AEVWD 1.4 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=20053
Operation Optimization 1.1.1 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=10510
Optimized Distant Land Max 1.1 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=15278
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07-Lights
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Animated Window Lighting System 5.1.5 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=19628
Cities Alive At Night 1.0 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=11434
City Lights - Imperial City 1.0.1 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2979
Flames Random 1.2 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=13296
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08-Sound-Weather
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Alive Waters 0.6 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=6914
Beaming Sunglare 1.1 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16533
Better Bell Sounds 1.0 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=5286
Better Bow Sounds for Combat Sounds 300 v1 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=11994
Better Night Sky 1.2 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2234
Combat Sounds 1.1 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=10345
Enhanced Weather 1.3.3 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16544
Natural_Environments 2.1.3 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2536
Oblivion Stereo Sound Overhaul 0.9 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=5861
Quiet Feet Max 2.0 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=12331
Rainbows in Tamriel 3.0 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=8927
Storms Lightning Sounds v3 for all weathers http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=8711
Symphony of Violence http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=13987
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09-Textures-Characters
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http://devnull.devakm.googlepages.com/totocharacter

Argonian Beautification 3.0 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=15469
Beautiful People 2.7 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=5175
Gorier Blood 1.1 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3990
Improved Argonian Facial Textures 1.1 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=6611
Improved Facial Textures 2.1 http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.co...Detail&id=1507
Slof's Horses Base + Armored 1.0 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3570
Tamriel NPCs Revamped 1.2.5 http://www.stephanewuttunee.net/tnr_home.html

**Jason McCullough** · 04-06-2009, 09:58 PM

**Jason McCullough** · 04-06-2009, 09:59 PM

**Jason McCullough** · 04-06-2009, 10:02 PM

Oh, the part that's really useful about this is that I hand-inspected every conflicting file and ESP record in this set and adjusted the extract and load orders to eliminate every conflict but some fog crap. Jesus christ, does Bethesda ever need to solve the mod combination problem.

Originally Posted by triggercut

Jason--that whole deal sounds awesome. Some questions I have:

1. Is it at all modular, or a fire-and-forget? In other words, does the user have the ability to not install some items in your package, or is it "click, go have some pizza, come back and it's done."?

(Assuming manual download)
1. Download everything.
2. Arrange files on disk as directed.
3. Install winrar.
4. Update a couple lines in the batch files with path names to some tools and oblivion.
5. Launch batch file.
6. Wait around an hour for winrar + robocopy to extract and install everything.
7. Update 10 lines in Oblivion.ini.
8. Run TES4LodGen.exe.
9. Run OBMM.
10. Load and apply OBMM load order file.
11. Launch and play game.

The remaining stuff will work just fine if you comment things out or uncheck the ESPs (excepting really global stuff like QTP), but I'm not about to test it.

2. How up-to-date are you on some of the newest mods coming out (I'm really referring here to stuff like the newest builds of Enhanced Weather that add seasons, and the newly-reborn "All Natural" which I've been blown away by)?

See dates below. I didn't bother with All Natural because that thing was a high churn conflict explosion last I looked.

**SpookyKG** · 04-06-2009, 10:04 PM

Shitty reply after all of this relevance, but is Oblivion worth going back to if I thought it was thoroughly boring, and only replayed it when I got a new computer and cheated to get through the story?

My main qualms are:
Autoleveling of baddies
Nothing in the game world being special, especially dungeons "oh it looks like the other one but now creatures are one level higher!"

I'm not sure just patching those would 'fix' the game for me at this point, as I really enjoyed vanilla FO3 and it might be hard going back. However, I would love to get use out of Oblivion... does anybody have an opinion on this? Is it possible to recapture the magic in a game you've experienced (and disliked for multiple reasons) with these mods? Or should I just forget it?

Edit: I should add that I have experienced VERY few sidequests so those would be a new experience for me. I avoided them as it's hard to be motivated to explore when everything feels the same and nothing feels 'important' due to autoleveling.

**Quaro** · 04-06-2009, 10:23 PM

Does one of the mods in that list reduce the scaling somewhat? It drove me nuts as thief that I could never find anything that wasn't my level, no matter where I looked or what risks I was willing to take by going someplace I wasn't strong enough for.

**SpookyKG** · 04-06-2009, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by Quaro

Does one of the mods in that list reduce the scaling somewhat? It drove me nuts as thief that I could never find anything that wasn't my level, no matter where I looked or what risks I was willing to take by going someplace I wasn't strong enough for.

Scaling was one of the things addressed in the most ways, from what I've seen. So to answer your question, yes.

**ElGuapo** · 04-06-2009, 10:44 PM

So was messing around tonight and found this huuuuuge dungeon. I'm working my way through this things and it's far bigger than any dungeon I've been in. As I go deeper and deeper into it, it's starting to feel like an old school Arena Dungeon. I'm out of healing potions and every fight is tough. Then I on a hunch I Google its name only to find out it's part of the Lost Spires questline.

D'oh! Guess I have to backtrack out of here and wait until I'm on that quest.

**Staff Sergeant** · 04-06-2009, 11:04 PM

I just started playing again having finally finished POOP and the first 5 minutes (all I got to play so far) were AWESOME. Immediately the first bad guy I see is wielding a Bardiche (a weapon that didn't exist in the game before). A friend was watching me play (I was showing him all the mods and how it changed the game) and I actually shouted "awesome that wasn't even in the game before!". I'm very excited for the rest of my playing time on POOP.

EDIT: And yes, scaling is very fixed. Turn right out of the sewers and walk a little ways, and you will run into trolls. Good luck fighting trolls right out of the starting dungeon ;) (Although you could just jump in the river and swim away).

Another LOL moment I had was when I was walking along the shore and there was a slaughterfish just flopping around 3 feet from the water. Did that happen before and I never saw it? God I love this game all over again.

**SpookyKG** · 04-06-2009, 11:22 PM

Mmmmk... Now I want to refine my line of questioning.

Are alot of the mods in POOP still being updated? Are there any fantastic mods coming down the pipeline?

I'm debating waiting on retrying this former stinker til I get a new computer this winter so I can max EVERYTHING in Oblivion and take advantage of the graphical packs, etc. I'm still rocking a 7800GT on an x2 3800+ :-\

**triggercut** · 04-06-2009, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by SpookyKG

Mmmmk... Now I want to refine my line of questioning.

Are alot of the mods in POOP still being updated? Are there any fantastic mods coming down the pipeline?

I'm debating waiting on retrying this former stinker til I get a new computer this winter so I can max EVERYTHING in Oblivion and take advantage of the graphical packs, etc. I'm still rocking a 7800GT on an x2 3800+ :-\

Quite a few, yes.

For starters, OBSE, OBMM, Wrye Bash, and COBL have all been updated since POOP.

Some biggies that I've noticed are Reneer's Guard Overhaul and Deadly Reflex.

Maybe the biggest one is the weather/environment mods for Enhanced Weather and All Natural.

All Natural is up to version .9 now, thanks to wrinklyninja's excellent work. Enhanced Weather is up to 1.34 now. AN now includes completely updated versions of Real Lights and Natural Interiors; it will install a version of EW too...but for now you should manually install an omod of EW, and then install AN and when it asks you tell it not to include any of the weather mods bundled with it.

**EvilIdler** · 04-07-2009, 04:38 AM

You know, I hate tesnexus.com so much I'm just waiting for an anonymous & unapproved torrent with everything.

**Imryll** · 04-07-2009, 06:31 AM

Why do you hate TES Nexus?

We've been pretty happy with Francesco's Leveled Creatures/Items as a counter to the scaling problem. It's modular structure offers lots of opportunity to mod only what you want to.

**Oghier** · 04-07-2009, 07:42 AM

Another question about scaling: Which mod in this list addresses it? I don't see Fran's or OOO in there. Does MMM fix the issue?

I see an Oblivion reinstall in my future :)

Also, let me suggest you consider adding the Oblivion Crash Prevention System (OCPS). This mod reduced my CTD's by a significant amount:

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22282

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