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    GTA IV - lost save game, Xbox 360

    My apologies for starting another GTA IV thread, but this is a pretty specific issue (and, perhaps, it's not even a GTA issue, but an Xbox issue).

    As of this morning, I was about ten hours into the game, having played it casually over the last week. I played about an hour more this morning, autosaved after a mission, and then shut down. But wen I fired up my 360 again this afternoon, my latest autosave file was gone, replaced by one from way back at the start of the game.

    I've heard of some wonkiness on the PS3 version, but has anyone else had this same experience on the Xbox? Is there a solution for it, or do I really need to go back and play through the game again?

    For what's it's worth, I called Rockstar technical support, and though they were open on Sunday, which was a pleasant surprise, they told that no one, either on the PS3 or the Xbox, has called and logged this specific issue, so they have no idea how to help me at this point.

    Grrrr!

    -Vede

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    Sorry, that never happened to me. I take it you didn't have any other saves other than the autosave?

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    I had one other manually saved game from much, much earlier in the game. I think that when my autosave "vanished", it was replaced by the early manual save, since that was the only save it could find.

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    Well, my saves getting wiped has happened before on my Xbox. Did you recently recover your profile and were denied? This happened to four people I know, and myself. I left my memory card at my friend's place where I was playing Rock Band, so the only way to play games as myself was to recover my profile. Unfortunately, they have a bug/security feature (I don't know which one it's supposed to be) where if account recovery fails, then the Xbox goes in and deletes all your save games on the hard drive belonging to that profile. So I lost all my save games that I hadn't made a backup copy on the memory card. (Which luckily, wasn't a lot of games, but it did include Crackdown, where I almost had a fully upgraded agent, and Forza 2, where I was about to hit level 50, both of which I am yet to start over).

    I would have thought this was an isolated incident, but like I said, it happened to two of my brothers, and a friend of mine in Seattle. So if it's a bug, it's a pretty repeatable bug. And if it's a security feature of some kind, then F*** you very much Microsoft.

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    Sounds awful. Sorry that happened to you guys. But no, this was just me playing my Elite exclusively, no memory cards or profile recovery involved.

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    Nope, never happend. I don't think a manual save could have overwritten it, as autosaves have their own spot. Is it possible you somehow turned autosave off?

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    Yeah, this sounds like a profile issue, Greg. I can't imagine an autosave being "replaced" by an earlier autosave from the beginning of the game, since I doubt the harddrive is keeping multiple autosaves under the hood.

    I've lost progress when I shut the game down without turning autosave back on. I had it switched off at Shoot Club so the guys could goof around with the game, and then later that night I played in earnest for a while. I didn't remember to turn on autosave or sleep at a safehouse before powering down, so -- poof! -- all my progress gone when I came back the next day. But a really early autosave from ten hours ago suddenly coming back? I can't imagine how that would happen unless you've got a few profiles on your 360.

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    This happened to a co-worker when he turned on the game, it loaded his manual save instead of his more advanced autosave. He didn't realize this, and went out on a man date, and then when it autosaved it overwrote the previous autosave with the less-advanced game. He lost several hours.

    I've been careful to check my stats whenever I load up since then.

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    This thread reminded me I should start saving more often. I have saved manually 5 times in 43 hours of gameplay (so the game says).

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    I make a point of saving manually every 2-3 missions, preferably with full armor.

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    Could someone else have played on it and started a new game which caused it to overwrite the one autosave slot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattKeil View Post
    This happened to a co-worker when he turned on the game, it loaded his manual save instead of his more advanced autosave. He didn't realize this, and went out on a man date, and then when it autosaved it overwrote the previous autosave with the less-advanced game. He lost several hours.
    Now *that* sounds like a distinct possibility, and I'd rather believe I accidentally did that than believe the game is capable of randomly eating save games. (Scary!) I'll be much more careful going forward.

    Big thanks to everyone on the thread who contributed an idea. :-)

    -Vede

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    After playing like a madman for several hours (not including Peggle breaks), I'm back to where I was before the "incident," having now saved manually MANY times, just to be safe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papageno View Post
    I make a point of saving manually every 2-3 missions, preferably with full armor.
    Am I the only one that saves after pretty much every mission?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiTownBluesFan View Post
    Am I the only one that saves after pretty much every mission?
    Probably. There's no reason to manually save unless you're done for the night, really.

    And don't feel too bad about the replaying, Vede. Since the review copies of the game we got had to be played on locked machines, I had to play the entire thing over again when I got a retail copy.

    It was still great the second time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Vederman View Post
    \After playing like a madman for several hours (not including Peggle breaks), I'm back to where I was before the "incident," having now saved manually MANY times, just to be safe!
    Isn't that what caused the problem in the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsWill View Post
    Isn't that what caused the problem in the first place?
    The manual save issue might have cause the problem originally due to the way the game decides to load a new session, but people who save compulsively tend not to lose more than an hour or two of progress. In this case, it probably would have saved hm some anguish. I guess the lesson is to either to manually save frequently, or to rely completely on a single autosave (which is problematic for other reasons, like triggering an autosave checkpoint just as you die).

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    Completely different game, similar situation.

    So I recently booted up my 360 and popped in Oblivion only to discover that every save I'd made since I moved is gone. Now, my ex had been over to play Oblivion a couple of times and it had worked for her just fine. But since then, I'd started turning the 360 off completely, along with the rest of my AV equipment, using a power strip.

    So I do an internet search. Apparently the fact that losing power resets the date causes the 360 to lose saves every now and again.

    Really? Really, Microsoft? Really?

    Fuck.

    Does anyone know anything about this? If I went ahead and paid $100 for the god damn wireless connector, would that save me, since going online automatically keeps the date set? Or do I honestly have to fucking never, ever unplug the 360? Cos if it's the latter, I think I might just become a dedicated iPhone gamer. Or one of those guys who only champions the PS3.

    Yeah, you heard me. I'll become Dave Long. Music games are for losers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bahimiron View Post
    Completely different game, similar situation.

    So I recently booted up my 360 and popped in Oblivion only to discover that every save I'd made since I moved is gone. Now, my ex had been over to play Oblivion a couple of times and it had worked for her just fine. But since then, I'd started turning the 360 off completely, along with the rest of my AV equipment, using a power strip.

    So I do an internet search. Apparently the fact that losing power resets the date causes the 360 to lose saves every now and again.

    Really? Really, Microsoft? Really?

    Fuck.

    Does anyone know anything about this? If I went ahead and paid $100 for the god damn wireless connector, would that save me, since going online automatically keeps the date set? Or do I honestly have to fucking never, ever unplug the 360? Cos if it's the latter, I think I might just become a dedicated iPhone gamer. Or one of those guys who only champions the PS3.

    Yeah, you heard me. I'll become Dave Long. Music games are for losers.
    Woah what? I move my 360 around all the time, and keep it unplugged for weeks, and have never had this problem, at least not with games I consistently play. This is completely new.

    What the fuck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bahimiron View Post
    Completely different game, similar situation.

    So I recently booted up my 360 and popped in Oblivion only to discover that every save I'd made since I moved is gone. Now, my ex had been over to play Oblivion a couple of times and it had worked for her just fine. But since then, I'd started turning the 360 off completely, along with the rest of my AV equipment, using a power strip.

    So I do an internet search. Apparently the fact that losing power resets the date causes the 360 to lose saves every now and again.

    Really? Really, Microsoft? Really?

    Fuck.

    Does anyone know anything about this? If I went ahead and paid $100 for the god damn wireless connector, would that save me, since going online automatically keeps the date set? Or do I honestly have to fucking never, ever unplug the 360? Cos if it's the latter, I think I might just become a dedicated iPhone gamer. Or one of those guys who only champions the PS3.

    Yeah, you heard me. I'll become Dave Long. Music games are for losers.
    Certainly there are fun games to play on the 360, but constant aggravation like this barely makes it worthwhile.

    Also, Desslock already became Dave Long with regard to the 360. You're just jumping on a bandwagon that's already loaded for bear! ;)

    j/k Xbox fans!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon G Sides View Post
    Woah what? I move my 360 around all the time, and keep it unplugged for weeks, and have never had this problem, at least not with games I consistently play. This is completely new.

    What the fuck?
    Are you connected to the internet when you do turn it on? It didn't lose any of the save games from before I moved and since I've moved I haven't been connected to the internet since I was previously had it going directly into my router, but in my new place the wireless router isn't actually on my floor. If it's connected to XBL, apparently it grabs the date automatically on startup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon G Sides View Post
    Woah what? I move my 360 around all the time, and keep it unplugged for weeks, and have never had this problem, at least not with games I consistently play. This is completely new.

    What the fuck?
    Same here. Before I had 2 360s, I used to move my 360 all the time from my room to the living room and back, and sometimes leave it unplugged for long periods. I never had this problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bahimiron View Post
    Are you connected to the internet when you do turn it on? It didn't lose any of the save games from before I moved and since I've moved I haven't been connected to the internet since I was previously had it going directly into my router, but in my new place the wireless router isn't actually on my floor. If it's connected to XBL, apparently it grabs the date automatically on startup.
    That could be it. I always make sure to plug in my wired ethernet connection in both my room and my living room before I turn on the 360. So I am always connected to XBL when I turn on.

    Also, the one time I did all my save games that weren't recently backed up on my memory card, it was during the big XBL outage of 2007, when everyone was having trouble signing onto live, and both me and my brother tried to recover our profiles on our respective Xboxes, both failed, and then later the next day when we finally got through to the servers and recovered our profiles, all our save games were gone. Poof, completely disappeared. I thought it was some kind of anti-cheating measure to do with Xbox live gamertag recovery, but maybe it relates to this problem.

    Neither of our clocks on our 360s got reset though, so maybe it's not related after all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bahimiron View Post
    I'd started turning the 360 off completely, along with the rest of my AV equipment, using a power strip.

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    Do you turn the 360 off and then kill the power, or just kill the power? I'm not sure it makes a difference but I unplug my entertainment center every time I go on a business trip and have never had an issue with saves on the 360.

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    I haven't even really had my X-Box on since I started killing my power on a nightly basis.

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    What's the mechanism by which it is supposed to lose save games? That the clock resets, thinks the saved game is from the future, and... deletes it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bahimiron View Post
    I haven't even really had my X-Box on since I started killing my power on a nightly basis.
    That is weird, and a huge drag. Sorry man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bahimiron View Post
    Are you connected to the internet when you do turn it on? It didn't lose any of the save games from before I moved and since I've moved I haven't been connected to the internet since I was previously had it going directly into my router, but in my new place the wireless router isn't actually on my floor. If it's connected to XBL, apparently it grabs the date automatically on startup.
    yeah all the time. I take it home, and its a pain to hook it up to the internet, so I usually don't (Plus I don't want my little brother's on my Live), and i've never had a problem.

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    Rockstar has tech support? Neat.

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    I lost all progress I had in RezHD once. Don't know why and didn't research it, since, well my progress wasn't all that to begin with. Easy to play through in a short time.
    But it was a bit unsettling.

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