Why are Blacks still low man on the pole?

[bmulligan]

An interesting article posted in another thread sheds light on the sub culture of america, the black ghettos, and alludes to the ramifications of this growing problem.
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Underclass.shtml

I work frequently in Detroit, mentioned in the article, and can attest to the vadilidy of the article's claims. The question is: Why does the black 'culture' fail when so many other minorities excel?

People don't say it, not often, but they think it: There is nothing we can do. Meanwhile hatred gathers in the urban blasted heath. The riots of Los Angeles could have happened anywhere. The people of the ghetto believe that whites are the cause of their misery, and they are, just under the surface, very angry. One day this is going to bite us.

I submit that they have been taught to hate from birth. They are the only minority group with outspoken political leaders who propegate this hate. They are taught to venerate these leaders akin to Christ, Similar to the palestinian causes against Israel. They can't get past blaming others for their misery long enough to better themselves as a people.

And I don't think it's genetic...

[Cleve Blakemore]

Ah, but here is something to think about ... if it wasn't genetic in the 1950's, it sure as hell would be by now.

America's welfare system has been consistently emasculating the hardworking middle class black in favor of the ace boon coon for the past forty years. You show me a man in the 1960's who held a job as a railroad porter, earned a decent wage, owned his own home and supported his own family, I'll show you a man who was rendered all but socially and sexually obsolete by 1970.

Black females learned to go for the fast pump with the quicky brother in order to maximize their benefits from the system, thus breeding bonobos of equal irresponsibility as their fathers. The poor struggling black lower middle class man who was stable enough to hold down a job and keep a paycheck coming in was regarded as an undesirable sucker by black women who knew the real money was to be found by interludin' with the homeys who practiced fire'n'forget with their DNA syrup. Fewer fathers, bigger benefits and in three generations we now have a species specially bred to be dependent hopheads. What started with borderline genetic competency to function in an industrial society in the 1950's was quickly eliminated in favor of the flash brother just passing through sprayin' his fertility funk with no thought of responsibility to his progeny.

I have seen the sane black man long since passed over in favor of a flashy hood and he has been marginalized in his own community, just an Oreo sucker no fly girl would be seen dead with.

IF it wasn't genetic in the beginning it sure as hell is by now.

[hermyhermit]

I have seen the sane black man long since passed over in favor of a flashy hood and he has been marginalized in his own community, just an Oreo sucker no fly girl would be seen dead with.

I still see it every day at work. A good majority of the women we encounter really despise black officers. They are "whiteys tools" and the fact that they are in a legitimate and often times noble profession is meaningless. They also bring home a meager paycheck in comparison to the dealers we run in and therefore get even less respect. Education or conformity to a society even associated with white is like poison.

Like I said in the other thread. That race is very very sick right now and some level-headed people I know understand this and really want to fix it, but for every one of those who sees the problems you have ten Jesse Jacksons backed up by ten more white liberals like the kind that inhabit this board ready to point the finger at "The Man" and demand another round of handouts.

It is a sad state of affairs.

[bmulligan]

America's welfare system has been consistently emasculating the hardworking middle class black in favor of the ace boon coon for the past forty years.

I wholeheartedly agree.

I been aquainted with more than a few welfare mothers who have greater incentive to indescriminately screw and make babies rather than hold a full time job. One mother I know has 5 children, all from different fathers. And I am helping pay for her diapers and formula. It disgusts me that she actually feels entitled to government payments to feed her family becuase whitey is keeping her down.

Contrary to this, I know many young adults who make a decent living, are honest and hard working but still believe that the white world is directly responsible for them not making more money. They believe every word from Jessie Jackson as if it were the word of God himself. If you ask me, people like Jackson are responsible for the unrest and perpetual ignorance of their own people.

I still don't buy the genetic argument, though. Regardless of inbred intelligence or lack thereof, the malnourished, fatherless genius would still resort to drug dealing and thievery because it's his natural habitat, not because of his genetic makeup.

[Cleve Blakemore]

America's welfare system has been consistently emasculating the hardworking middle class black in favor of the ace boon coon for the past forty years.

I wholeheartedly agree.

I been aquainted with more than a few welfare mothers who have greater incentive to indescriminately screw and make babies rather than hold a full time job. One mother I know has 5 children, all from different fathers. And I am helping pay for her diapers and formula. It disgusts me that she actually feels entitled to government payments to feed her family becuase whitey is keeping her down.

Contrary to this, I know many young adults who make a decent living, are honest and hard working but still believe that the white world is directly responsible for them not making more money. They believe every word from Jessie Jackson as if it were the word of God himself. If you ask me, people like Jackson are responsible for the unrest and perpetual ignorance of their own people.

I still don't buy the genetic argument, though. Regardless of inbred intelligence or lack thereof, the malnourished, fatherless genius would still resort to drug dealing and thievery because it's his natural habitat, not because of his genetic makeup.

Environment. I don't think environment is all that important in determining people's character. I also think it is a slur to insist that the traditional law abiding societies of Europeans are entirely due to their being "just lucky" to suddenly "just appear" in societies that are plentiful and prosperous. If black pathology is responsible ultimately for the black ghetto, then European syntropy is almost assuredly responsible for the organized and structured civilizations they have lived in for 2000 years.

You show me the worst Dark Ages feudal village and I guarantee you it couldn't hold a candle to the hellholes of the third world. Europeans have always had divisions of labor, organized currency systems and law and order and where they have vanished they have quickly recreated same.

[bmulligan]

I don't think environment is all that important in determining people's character.

Nonsense. Our environment shapes us. It allows us to grow to potential, or retards us into impotence. We educate ourselves in our earliest years by emulating our parents. This is exactly the problem Blacks have: they don't have fathers. And because their mother's attention is constantly divided, they don't have real mothers either. Consequently, boys don't learn how to become men. They don't learn integrity, they don't learn respect. They don't learn discipline. Without a family to install these principles, all the intelligence and perfect genes are meaningless.

[Dirt]

Education. Black people need to be taught to admire and value education and educated people. That Kenneth Chenault is someone to be admired, not Snoop Dog.

[Chris]

I think a cultural change is needed. Those who feel this overwhelming sense of entitlement need to realize that they are the best option for making a successful life, not sticking it to the man. They don't need to forget slavery occurred but it still dominates their worldview and fuels their negativity and rage. I wish their was an easy answer and fix but there isn't one.

[Tyjenks]

The family unit has been decimated in many sections of society and in black culture it is not only worst, but it seems to be accepted. When something like 60% is dropping out of high school and 70% is born out of wedlock (whether you believe a nuclear family is needed to raise a child or not), things are not good. When leaders, self-proclaimed or otherwise, of said ethnicity do not want to address these issues and instead want government aid to fix things up, the problem spirals out of control as it obviously has.

Reparations, welfare, sometimes affirmative action, and similair programs, while helpful to a point, serve as a crutch that does not empower a person or family to do better for themselves. Until underpriveledged people are motivated to go out and help themselves, things will never change. Aid prgrams should do just that: "aid". They should not be there to do the heavy lifting for people, only be there to lend a helping hand.

EDIT: One thing that may help is adherence to and chanting of the phrase which the great thinker and actor Cedric the Entertainer uttered in the movie Barbershop:

Man, Fuck Jesse Jackson!

[steve]

Has anyone ever seen the people posting as Cleve Blakemore, bmulligan, and/or hermyhermit in the same room? I think a proper Koontzian analysis of posting patterns is in order.

[Tyjenks]

Has anyone ever seen the people posting as Cleve Blakemore, bmulligan, and/or hermyhermit in the same room? I think a proper Koontzian analysis of posting patterns is in order.

I often think it is just one person playing a little game. Talking to himself, debating topics, occasionally providing support for his/her own points of view. The whole lot of 'em. Now we have a board Narrarator and a Smart parodist. Its like a cavalcade of characters from an ultra-lame bizarro Carol Burnett variety show. In the Qt3 version, all characters are played by one lonely, out of work maniac.

[The Narrator]

The boarders had many ideas on many topics. The cycle of poverty could be ended, they opined, if the black man could only better himself somehow. Some thought the key was education. Others believed there was a lack of positive role models. But there was one issue they could all agree on: The probable awesomeness of Sea Dogs II.

[Chris Nahr]

In the Qt3 version, all characters are played by one lonely, out of work maniac.

All of whose combined post counts still wouldn't measure up to... :wink:

[tombstone]

You know what's awesome? White people discussing "the black problem" and painting all of the poor members of a particular ethnic group with a single brush. That rules. We really dig that; us poor black people. In fact, we couldn't stop gushing over you guys at the last meeting. Good looking out.

[Tyjenks]

You know what's awesome? White people discussing "the black problem" and painting all of the poor members of a particular ethnic group with a single brush. That rules. We really dig that; us poor black people. In fact, we couldn't stop gushing over you guys at the last meeting. Good looking out.

If someone would like to speak up and correct us ig'nrnt crackers, then please do. That is part of the problem: lack of communication. I put forth what I see and or think. I get blasted for that rather than having pointed out to me where I am wrong.

In all seriousness (or as close as I get to that state of being), I am a sponge. Someone not of the caucasian persuaion, please educate me.

[Lunch of Kong]

It's the fricking socio-economic class system. Started with Columbus and and his spanish slave trade. This country was built upon the sweat and blood of Africans and Indians, who were dominated by Europeans with superior firepower. It continues on today because people from the white-side of the race barrier see themselves as rulers of the darkies, even if it's at a subconscience level.

[Tyjenks]

It's the fricking socio-economic class system. Started with Columbus and and his spanish slave trade. This country was built upon the sweat and blood of Africans and Indians, who were dominated by Europeans with superior firepower. It continues on today because people from the white-side of the race barrier see themselves as rulers of the darkies, even if it's at a subconscience level.

Wong...did your last name used to be Smith and instead of simply changing your name to Roger X you adopted a name from your African heritage?

[Jason McCullough]

I submit that they have been taught to hate from birth. They are the only minority group with outspoken political leaders who propegate this hate. They are taught to venerate these leaders akin to Christ, Similar to the palestinian causes against Israel. They can't get past blaming others for their misery long enough to better themselves as a people.

That's comedy, folks.

Take the entire income of a group of people for 200 years, follow that with 100 years of locking them out of the mainstream economic system, giving their income to another group of people. Fast forward 40 years. Hey, look at that - they haven't caught up yet! Not only does their lack of assets prevent this, everyone else has the head start of having their old assets.

[Cleve Blakemore]

I submit that they have been taught to hate from birth. They are the only minority group with outspoken political leaders who propegate this hate. They are taught to venerate these leaders akin to Christ, Similar to the palestinian causes against Israel. They can't get past blaming others for their misery long enough to better themselves as a people.

That's comedy, folks.

Take the entire income of a group of people for 200 years, follow that with 100 years of locking them out of the mainstream economics system, giving their income to another group of people. Fast forward 40 years. Hey, look at that - they haven't caught up yet!

Unlike the Koreans, Indians, Chinese, Japanese, Turks, Greeks and Ukrainians - who apparently "caught up" as you described it, within months of reaching American shores!

I be suing fo de repamarations!

[Dirt]

I'm still waiting for my pay from building those railroads.

[Jason McCullough]

"Koreans, Indians, Chinese, Japanese, Turks, Greeks and Ukrainians"

My history book doesn't have any mention of them being enslaved. ZOG conspiracy, no doubt.

[Dirt]

"My history book doesn't have any mention of them being enslaved. ZOG conspiracy, no doubt."

Ever hear of the term "shanghaied"?

But most likely because the Chinese people don't bitch and whine endlessly about it.

[Jason McCullough]

Mmm hmmm. Directly comparable. Who knew?

ETYMOLOGY: After Shanghai, from the former custom of kidnapping sailors to man ships going to China.

[ydejin]

"My history book doesn't have any mention of them being enslaved. ZOG conspiracy, no doubt."

Ever hear of the term "shanghaied"?

But most likely because the Chinese people don't bitch and whine endlessly about it.

Dirt, I think you have that backwards. I believe the term Shanghaied was used to describe a (typically caucasian) sailor who was minding his own business in port and was knocked out or otherwise abducted and woke up the next morning to find himself out at sea having "volunteered" to serve on a long distance voyage to Shanghai or another far away port.

Here's the Meriam Webster Definition (care of www.m-w.com):

Main Entry: shang·hai
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Shanghai, China; from the formerly widespread use of this method to secure sailors for voyages to the Orient
Date: 1871
1 a : to put aboard a ship by force often with the help of liquor or a drug b : to put by force or threat of force into or as if into a place of detention
2 : to put by trickery into an undesirable position

[Union Carbide]

More specifically, it refers to the British Navy's practice of running "Press Gangs" through the waterfront and poor areas of port cities and impressing into service anyone incapable of evading said gangs.

[ydejin]

More specifically, it refers to the British Navy's practice of running "Press Gangs" through the waterfront and poor areas of port cities and impressing into service anyone incapable of evading said gangs.

Hey Union, you sure about that? I was always under the impression that it referred to kidnapping as related to merchant vessels not to military vessels. You'll also note that Meriam Webster marks the initial usage date as 1871. Those of us Patrick O'Brian and Hornblower fans know that the Press Gang practice originated much earlier -- at least at the Napoleanic era, and I would presume earlier.

[Dirt]

My mistake.

[Dirt]

I'm still waiting for my paycheck for working on the railroads though.

[Jason McCullough]

I'm not sure why you'd get one; the "coolies" *were* paid. Chinese Americans were discriminated against, but no where near as badly as African-Americans.

[Dirt]

Well, then I want the difference of what the coolies were paid and what the white people were paid. Dammit.