Opeth - Blackwater Park
I'm 44 in a few days and Opeth is one of my favorite bands. Death metal growls don't bother me, but then again I was listening to metal in the late 80s and early 90s when the Florida death metal scene came to fore, along with the advent of grindcore and black metal. I've always leaned toward the extreme end of things when it comes to modern music. I stopped listening to metal in the mid-90s and stuck to heavy electronic/industrial music for a long time. It was our own Charles Randall that got me back into metal, starting with Opeth, around 2005.
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I did a quick search of this thread and was surprised to not see any reference to Blood Duster. One of my personal favorites. I actually saw them for the first time a couple weeks back at a club here in Brisbane.
Sorry Rimbo, they're growly as fuck.
These guys are great, really tongue in cheek and having a great time.
I'll be the first to say that my understanding of music on a technical level is limited, but lucky for me all I need is a basic grasp of internet arguing to get a handle on your argument. Stop trying to dress up a simple matter of taste (which correlates well to age, historically) in objective terms that you are probably murdering in your quest to deny your status as pretty fucking far from the cutting edge of metal.
It happens to lots of people with lots of different genres. Metal is an exceptionally young genre; my nephew is probably just about to slip out of the key demographic that keeps it alive and vital, and it's clear to me he's listening to completely different things than I did at his age. Just let it go and be grateful when youtube keeps alive some asshole in tights yowling about how they're about to rock you so you can remember the golden years of your metal past.
I'm not bitching about the genre. I'm not even bitching about the sound. I'm bitching about the execution. It's just Sturgeon's Law; 90% of growling is crap, because 90% of everything is crap.There's no way to get around the fact that you're telling the youngins to get off your lawn here, when in fact, they took over your lawn a long fucking time ago. Extreme metal is the face of the genre. Get over it. No one is going to make you listen to it, but no one wants to hear you bitch about something you clearly don't connect with or understand, either.
It's not that things used to sound better; it's that we can now look back and realize that having Billy Sheehan and Steve Vai in a band with David Lee Roth really was a pretty amazing thing there at that moment, while ignoring that people thought Warrant, Winger and Bon Jovi were pretty awesome heavy metal bands at the time, too.
And yeah, I'm old. And if you're doing the "getting older" thing right, you do get bored of listening to the same old, same old, needing more and more complicated and higher-quality stuff to get the same thrill. At the same time, you can appreciate complexities you never noticed before... if you're doing it right. So yeah, if the pitch of the singer's voice doesn't ever change, I get bored. I have the same problem with Phil "I only sing one note" Collins, and he doesn't growl at all...
If 90% of everything is crap, then what's the difference between one singing style vs. any other in that respect? You clearly think that there's something exceptional about growling vocals, so why pretend otherwise?
You've made every single stupid old fart complaint about growling vocals that there is to make. "It's boring", "you can't tell what they're saying", "the pitch doesn't change, it's not even singing", "maybe if they only used it a little". You say you want to feel like you've gotten your ass kicked but you post Yankee fucking Rose as an example of quality music.
If you had even a shred of legitimate musical appreciation in your withered old husk, you would understand that making sweeping generalizations about "growling vocals" and referring to them as "cookie monster" instantly outs you as someone who has no fucking idea what they're talking about. There are plenty of musical genres where the singer's voice "doesn't change pitch" and instead relies on a certain sound and the lyrical content to carry the ass kicking to the listener, and plenty of people prefer that style of singing to any other. The question I pose to you is: Why do you give a fuck? I think you want to pretend like you have something interesting or unique to offer the discussion, but you clearly don't. You're not saying anything that hasn't been said before by a million other grandparents-in-waiting, shaking their canes and practicing their comb-overs. If you don't like it, fine, but pretending that it is somehow lesser music is bullshit.
I'll leave the thread with this to chew on: http://vimeo.com/11736163 Kvelertak - Mjød
DVD 2 contains one song from each of their other albums, played chronologically. The Deluxe edition also has CDs of the performance included.
I love how not liking cookie monster growls (yep, I said it) makes you instantly someone unable to ever appreciate metal, or maybe even music in general. I'm not a true metal fan, because I only like the subset that falls under 'power metal' typically - heck, it is only within the past year or two that I even found out about the genre. And even there, I have to be somewhat selective because there are some great bands/songs that just get totally destroyed when the growls start (Epica, After Forever, Sirenia - as examples. Yes, I know these aren't death/black/viking/"real" metal - tough).
So, umm... suggestions for less growly stuff for us uncultured folks?
And now for a gross misunderstanding of the conversation by Daagar!
(Kvelertak means Stranglehold and Mjød means Mead, the song is about the god Odin that gave us the wonderful Mead.)
Hey Juste, how do you feel about the new Purified In Blood? That's a tour I'd give a nonessential organ to catch.
There are 3 really good up and coming metal bands in Norway right now; Kvelertak, Purified in Blood (well, up an coming after their comeback) and Skambankt. I like all three, but i prefer Skambankt to be honest. Both Kvelertak and Skambankt are from the same area and sing in Norwegian, so i guess their appeal outside of Norway is limited, although Kvelertak have some good momentum going. Glenn from PIB has also played guitar in Skambankt, although he is not a current member.
Check out this video for Skambankts single Mantra.
Heh, I did a tour with PIB back in 2004(5? 3? Who knows.) in the US and it was one of the best times I've ever had. I've stayed friends with those dudes over the years and it's been kind of funny to watch their progress. Every album is completely different and I like this one a lot, despite being a bit over-produced and a bit groovy for my tastes.
Isn't Skambankt more of a straight rock band?
For your enjoyment (seriously, if you like growly stuff, check it out), Tuvan Throat Singing. I think it sounds like shit, but you might not.
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Now, if you want to say that all of those have singers who don't change pitch, that's true, but that doesn't make them any good. All art is subjective, but the concept of vocal ability being good art vs. crap is eons old. And to be honest, I really don't care if you do like it and it is or isn't crap. I just wish metal was less dominated by the growly stuff. It's a massive uptick/fad in the last half-decade in that genre.
You think growling vocals have only been a fad in the last half-decade? Holy shit man, could you be any more out of touch with metal? If you don't like it, don't listen to it. There are plenty of bands that don't use any growling and entire sub-genres of metal where that sort of thing is extremely rare.
For someone who doesn't care whether or not I like it or whether or not I think it's crap, you sure seem to care a whole fucking lot.
Bon Jovi IS a legitimately awesome band. If being trite or cheesy prevented a band from being good, then people who like music would be condemned to listen to only 12 tone or whatever is the current avante garde thing.
And, to many of you, please stop giving Van Halen fans a bad name.
But I mostly just posted this to say thanks for posting the Kvelertak video to frank austin.