Wait, I thought Jesse only figures out that the "lucky" cigarette had been stolen when he gets the call from his GF. Where was Jesse then (I can't remember)?Originally Posted by Jeff Green
Wait, I thought Jesse only figures out that the "lucky" cigarette had been stolen when he gets the call from his GF. Where was Jesse then (I can't remember)?
Yeah he's wrong about when Jesse realizes it's stolen. He realizes it at the hospital.
On his own, right?
BTW, it's still not at all clear (and I hope they reveal this somehow next season) how the poisoning of the kid with the berries happened.
Holy shit what a satisfying season finale!
I think what cracks me up about the whole end of Gus is also knowing that Giancarlo Esposito will be back on TV in a couple of weeks ......
Spoiler: spoiler
I rewatched the scene, to see why you were being such a butthole, and I realized that what I thought came out as "We may have a problem, I've got eyes in the DEA...." is actually "We've got a problem, I've got eyes on the DEA...".
It's one of those lines that could have gone either way.
Plus, there was a throw away line about having someone in the DEA a couple weeks ago, but unlike last night's episode, I can't remember the exact scene or context.
What I found rather implausible (apart from Terminator Gus walking out of that room and straightening his tie) was that Mr. Lieutenant Guy who came to check the place out beforehand didn't notice the big honking pipe bomb under the seat of Salamanca's wheelchair. Unless that wheelchair somehow had a drape over the sides and back, I think he would have spotted that.
My butthole needs no justification.
But yeah what I was going to guess you were referring to was back in Season 2 when Turtle (the cartel informant for the DEA played by Machete) was discovered as an information, and that you were insinuating that situation must have had an inside leak and therefore there's still a leak now.
I don't think we're going to find that out for a long time. This secret of Walt's is something that would create an explosive situation between him and Jesse, so I don't see Walt spilling the details about something like that except in a big confrontation where he angrily/guiltily spills his guts about what exactly he did.
Well, they'd better not just handwave that detail away. It remains pretty hard to believe that Walt had the opportunity to do the poisoning, unless he sneaked into the kid's school, found his lunchbox and put it in his fruit cup or something.
Every post I'm making is worse than the last.
I'll just say I loved the season finale again and leave it at that.
I LOVED THE SEASON FINALE
For me, Walt's most unsympathetic, villainous moment yet wasn't the poisoning. He could easily justify that as doing what he needed to do, and since he's super smart, the kid will be fine.
It was when the casually sent his neighbor into his house to test it. I fully expected the neighbor to be blown to bits upon opening the door. After he was willing to risk a genuinely innocent bystander, the plant reveal was minor.
I'm not sure if that had the associated risk that we're imagining. Gus doesn't really hire fools. Two professional killers are probably not going to want to kill anyone else.
Although at the time of watching the episode, yeah I had the same thought as you... that sending in someone that trusts him is one of the most selfish moves he's ever done.
I agree that the neighbor ploy was horrible, and I also expected that she would wind up dead. Still, from a plausibility standpoint, we get to see how it happened. With the poisoning, we're just supposed to take it on faith because...? I fully believe that Walt is responsible for it. I just want to know how it happened because otherwise it smacks of deus ex machina.
I imagine that, like several other acts that took place throughout Breaking Bad's history, this particular scene may be revisited in a flashback, especially if it can have some future impact on the show. Since it's probable that Walt did not act alone in this (Saul's fat henchman being a possible accomplice), there could be all sorts of reasons to reexamine and expand on how it took place and what effects that may have in the future. Anytime you involve a third party there's room for added drama.
The neighbor ploy was wonderfully horrible. I'm also delighted to eat some crow about what I said about Walt not really being the scheming type.
I think my only complaint with the finale is that Walt should have been wearing his Heisenberg hat when he gets revealed in the elevator.
I don't think Walt needs to become Heisenbeg any more, I think the transformation is complete. He no longer needs the get-up to feel like he's the man, he is the man. Although I love the hat, last time he put it on (when going to Gus' house to in the middle of the night) his plans were foiled. At that point in time he still hadn't made a complete transition, but since poisoning the kid, sending the neighbor lady over, bombing the nursing home, and going on a killing spree... he just doesn't need an outfit to look the part any more.
In Walt's head he always seemed to treat the Walt in the hat as being someone different than the Walt without the hat. Now there's only one Walt left.
He is the one who knocks.
Fuck doorbells.
He knocks by getting some clueless shmuck to knock for him!
This is an excellent post. Now that you say it, I agree. With the Heisenberg hat on, he was a fool--especially in that scene you mention at Gus's house. Now he's the real deal.
And, yeah, sending the neighbor over was ruthless and evil.
I agree, there is no evidence that I have seen of a mole. the original call to warn hank was from Gus himself I believe, who destroyed the phone he made the call from.
Also Gus's new assistant Tyrus??? seems to be stating that he was watching the DEA as part of his normal course of checking in on things and just happened to see Tio or someone else is tasked with this and passed the infor up the chain.
Though I could be wrong and there is a plot thread about a DEA mole that escaped me.
Regardless I thought the season finale was fantastic. I felt that the kid had simply stolen the cigarette and had poisoned himself.
I was certain Gus was going to die, seeing how the story arc is constructed and that Hank would be the antagonist for Walt in the final year, but that's not how I wanted it to play out. The last half of this season I've been rooting for Gus!
Mea Culpa on my part. Walt did it, and having rewatched End Times last night, the clues in the episode are obvious. I'm still not real cozy with that whole plot turn, but the wind up to the season was excellent in spite of, not because of it.
Gus marching out with half a head was shocking and a fitting end for the character.
Tio's trip to the DEA was the funniest thing I've seen on TV in a long long time.
"Yea, I know how to spell. Thanks."
Also, seeing Tio asked if he has to poopie... funny shit (yet depressing at the same time).
I thought that once Tio got it out of his system (as Hank observed), the second round would be a bit more informative. Two letters into it, I had to pause the show due to laughter.
When I heard the "F" I thought surely he would spell out Fring. I was glad to be wrong.
I felt there wasn't enough dialog in one of those scenes, so I created the following:
Holy mother of fuck. I didn't get the last minute or two of the show because obviously the clock on my recorder PC hates me, but damn. Good job paying off the whole season dudes. Glad I didn't watch the next to final episode until tonight. I'm sure that would have been irritating to wait for closure on.
Amazing finale.
How the hell did they not spot the bomb wiring on the wheelchair?
I'm guessing the first visit that Tyrus? maded was to check the place out and there was no bomb yet, after he left Walt came in off the ledge and planted the bomb. On the subsequent trip security must have been more lax and didn't really look for traps beyond maybe people?
That's my theory.
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