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    San Francisco Zoo Tragedy

    About a year ago, a zookeeper at the SF Zoo was conducting a public feeding of the tigers when she got a bit careless and dangled her arm too close. The result; one of the cats ripped it off, literally. She lived, but the Zoo was held responsible for the poor design of the cages. Improvements were supposedly made.

    You'd think after all that scrutiny things would be fixed. But no, a tiger escaped from its pen less than two hours ago and killed a zoo patron and injured two more before it was shot to death. The cops and fire department are busy scouring the zoo for any other loose animals; (the FD is using ladders to shine lights into the upper branches of trees)

    I've never heard kind words for this zoo. It's seriously got a horrible reputation even before this incident. For one, it's located right next to the beach in SF. Now before you're thinking "oh, I'd love to live 365 days a year on a California beach", think again. It's almost always cold, chilly, foggy out there. It's never made much sense to put a zoo in that location. Always a strange place to put a bunch of tropical and warm climate animals.

    This is a zoo that doesn't have elephants anymore cause two of them died under less than glamorous circumstances less than a month apart. The surviving elephants were hustled out of there and to other zoos.

    They need to shut this place down.

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    Reminds me of my sister's tale of how lions got out of their pens from the Austin "Zoo"/Rescue Center by a careless girl not locking the cages after washing them clean, and how said girl locked herself into an adjacent cage and called for help on her cellphone (the lions in question still being contained by the feeding tunnel wall from escaping their exhibit completely).

    Probably the biggest problem with Zoos is funding, and far too many have virtually none aside from some lingering trust or some magnate's bored wife. Ticket sales barely cover the cost of operation aside except for a few of the most prominent. This almost always means inadequate training and under-skilled staff.

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    St. Louis has an awesome zoo, and it has free admission. (They do charge a bundle for parking, but it's possible to park on the street. Food is also pricey*, and a few things within the zoo, like the children's zoo, have a separate charge).

    Our zoo gets a nice chunk of sales tax, and is also pretty well supported by local donors.

    We were at the zoo a few days ago, and I was trying to scare my older kids (8 and 6) with stories of escaped zoo animals. I was kidding, but this is a bit close to home. I plan to lay off this topic with them for a while...

    * A side note - after eating at one of the overpriced restaurants and grumbling a bit to my wife about the prices, my 2.5 year old daughter had an accident in the restaurant - she was running (and her mom was telling her to stop) and she fell into/collided with a metal chair. She had a pretty serious bruise on her forehead and a couple of smaller marks elsewhere on her face. To their credit, the folks at the restaurant were very nice and helpful, and also summoned some kind of zoo ranger person who had a first aid kit. Excellent service in a somewhat unusual situation - it made me appreciate that the pricey food helped pay for the nice folks working there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woolen Horde
    You'd think after all that scrutiny things would be fixed. But no, a tiger escaped from its pen less than two hours ago and killed a zoo patron and injured two more before it was shot to death. The cops and fire department are busy scouring the zoo for any other loose animals; (the FD is using ladders to shine lights into the upper branches of trees)
    How can the zoo people not be able to tell the authorities what, if any, animals might be out? If they can't even tell them they know where the rest of their tigers are, for example, then they do have serious problems.

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    I dont really get the draw of a zoo anymore. With shit like discovery channel, national geographic, the internet...you can see pretty much any animal, pictures, video and learn way more about them than you could at a zoo. Minus the shit smell of a zoo. Win.

    Also, anytime I have ever been to a zoo at least half the animals look pretty bummed out.

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    Yea, all zoos really suck, imo. Nature parks otoh, are somewhat better. The primates all look miserable in every zoo exhibit i've seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSelfishGene
    Yea, all zoos really suck, imo. Nature parks otoh, are somewhat better. The primates all look miserable in every zoo exhibit i've seen.
    Odd, they always seem happy in Atlanta. At least, I take the frantic masturbation to be a sign of joy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarkus
    How can the zoo people not be able to tell the authorities what, if any, animals might be out?
    Presumably, they didn't just want to send a zookeeper around, in the dark, poking into cages. Especially with the possibility that three additional tigers were on the loose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olaf
    I dont really get the draw of a zoo anymore. With shit like discovery channel, national geographic, the internet...you can see pretty much any animal, pictures, video and learn way more about them than you could at a zoo. Minus the shit smell of a zoo. Win.

    Also, anytime I have ever been to a zoo at least half the animals look pretty bummed out.
    Enyone whould be bummed out if locked in a cell. Zoo are so middle ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSelfishGene
    Probably the biggest problem with Zoos is funding, and far too many have virtually none aside from some lingering trust or some magnate's bored wife. Ticket sales barely cover the cost of operation aside except for a few of the most prominent. This almost always means inadequate training and under-skilled staff.
    This certainly describes a place I used to work at. I wasn't involved in the daily operations but even I could see it was an accident waiting to happen. A large 4 metre crocodile got out once, and more than a couple of times visitors came to the kiosk asking why a pen gate was open! This place also has lions and tigers, and I keep expecting it to hit the news in exactly this way because the staff just don't care enough, and haven't been trained well enough to bother sticking rigidly to safety protocols. Most zoos like this attract a regular number of super-keen young kids who love working with animals, then they get away with paying them a shit salary (or relying on "internships" for free slave labour) and work them to the bone until they're burned out.

    Having said that, there are some excellent zoos around these days that have done away with the whole 1950's-style "animals behind bars" and have instead created a more safari-style experience where the animals aren't always visible and the visit is therefore a lot more rewarding when you do spot one. What the Discovery Channel / Animal Planet can't give you is the feeling of being in the wild, and seeing natural behaviour, and the best zoos aim to recreate that.

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    I'm a bit suspect of the idea of zoos, but I think some of them are really good. I went to one in Innsbruck, the Alpenzoo, which is the highest in Europe and specialises in animals native to the region. That might sound a bit boring to some, but I always see lions, apes and tigers when I go to zoos, so it was a nice change to see European mountain bears and grey wolves. It was especially cool to see them with the Alps as a backdrop.

    The most amazing thing they had were a species they'd brought back from the edge of extinction, something I didn't realise still existed in Europe: vultures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woolen Horde
    About a year ago, a zookeeper at the SF Zoo was conducting a public feeding of the tigers when she got a bit careless and dangled her arm too close. The result; one of the cats ripped it off, literally. She lived, but the Zoo was held responsible for the poor design of the cages. Improvements were supposedly made.
    Unfortunately, no amount of improvements will stop human stupidity.

    Man killed photographing tigers

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    All of the animals agree they're not happy at the zoo...

    ...so they rip your frickin' arms off whenever they get the chance.

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    Its sad that it happened. But if you have to die young, death by tiger would be a pretty cool story for your relatives to tell down the road.

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    Not all Zoos are bad. And with some animals, zoos are starting to be the only places you can find them. The Discovery channel is all well and good, but you can't just let an animal go extinct because we have them on TV.

    The National Zoo in DC is one of the best examples of a well managed zoo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeon221
    Odd, they always seem happy in Atlanta. At least, I take the frantic masturbation to be a sign of joy...
    They're happy to see your man-boobs, Robert Palmer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeon221
    Odd, they always seem happy in Atlanta. At least, I take the frantic masturbation to be a sign of joy...
    You mean you've never knocked one out out of boredom before?

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    they should know better than to work the day after Xmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Brendan
    You mean you've never knocked one out out of boredom before?
    Hell I'm doing it right now. You should hear the bitching from my co-workers.

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    I've always thought of Aquariums as far more interesting.. Fish and weird crustaceans don't really seem to care much, if the tank is sufficiently large enough.

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    What's surprising to me is that the tiger got out and made it 300 yards across the park before the police arrived and shot it while it was mauling someone. What the hell were the zoo personnel doing all this time? You'd think they'd be the first line of defense against an escaped animal rather than the SFPD.

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    Why, are zoo personnel frequently armed with firearms or something?

    Zoos have special response teams (and to coordinate with local authorities) but can take time to organize, and even then, you have to find out where the animal is. And, a tiger can beeline 300 yards in a minute.

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    This brings a whole new level to "Please don't feed the bears".

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    I don't know the first thing about how zoos work, other than my experience playing Zoo Tycoon. But I was thinking that if you had beasties like tigers and gorillas, you'd want someone like this ready to go:



    Preferably he'd be sitting constantly in a watchtower that overlooks the entire zoo.

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    That would make zoos pretty awesome. $50 to get in. No cages. If you make it to the exit, you get your money back.

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    Apparently the tiger liked to play early builds of Sony's "Africa" for PS3, hello media circus. :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomChick
    What's surprising to me is that the tiger got out and made it 300 yards across the park before the police arrived and shot it while it was mauling someone. What the hell were the zoo personnel doing all this time? You'd think they'd be the first line of defense against an escaped animal rather than the SFPD.
    -Tom
    Luckily the Tiger got out of the cage right at closing time, so apparently there were less than 2 dozen patrons in the entire park. The Chronicle also said that there were zoo personnel with tranq guns looking for the animal as well but the group of 4 policemen happened upon it first, lucky for the 2 surviving individuals who were getting mauled at the time. Can't wait to hear further details from them.

    I was just at the Zoo with my wife and two kids on Monday, so this story really hit home. It's the same kind of 'oh that could never happen' revelation that I had when Katrina hit N.O. and Mississippi.

    2 horrible incidents in a year, with the same animal for chrissake, is enough cause for me to not renew membership. Unbelievable.

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    This tiger failed to receive due process. What about her rights? Damn cops always shooting first and asking questions later. I'm appalled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qessinge
    The Chronicle also said that there were zoo personnel with tranq guns looking for the animal as well but the group of 4 policemen happened upon it first
    Ah, I didn't realize that. I heard the guy from the Chronicle on NPR, but I don't think he mentioned that. Even then, aren't the guys with tranq guns in radio contact with the guy in the Zoo Control Bunker who's monitoring everything via closed circuit cameras? Actually, wouldn't the guy in the Zoo Control Bunker be able to track the tiger's GPS Tracking Implant on a big wall-mounted electronic display of the zoo? Heck, doesn't he have remote controlled turrets set up throughout the place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shift6
    This tiger failed to receive due process. What about her rights? Damn cops always shooting first and asking questions later. I'm appalled.
    I know, the inhumanity is unbearable! All this hippocracy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athryn
    The National Zoo in DC is one of the best examples of a well managed zoo.
    You what? It's improved a bit in the last couple of years, but it was badly mismanaged before that, and a number of animals died as a result.

    The large ape exhibit doubled as a small rodent exhibit, and not in a good way.

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