I live in Georgia, and I'm taking as many showers a day as I can so as to make the metro Atlantan's suffer.
I thought of posting in EE first, but then I realized, what could be more politically religious than this?
Man, if your only hope for water is praying for it, you're in a pretty damn desperate position.Originally Posted by AP
Anyone live in the Georgia area? Are you planning to move anytime soon? Has there ever been a drought this severe in American history -- one where a whole major millions-of-people metropolitan area was barely two months from running the taps completely dry?
I live in Georgia, and I'm taking as many showers a day as I can so as to make the metro Atlantan's suffer.
That's scary and what's worse, it will take a ton of sustained rain to fix the problem.
As global warming gets worse, Central & NE Canada is looking better and better. Relief from hellish summers and plenty of water in lakes and the water table. Ironic how so many people have moved south over the years. I can see a similar mass migration north in ~10 years.
Dude, it's futile. Detroit tried praying to solve crime, and I'd argue stopping murders is more important than getting some water. You can buy water. You can't buy your family back from the dead after they've been brutally murdered in gang violence.
So yeah. But hey, we've got plenty of water. MMmmmmmmmmm....
It is funny you should mention this because I have been thinking the same thing for a few years now.Originally Posted by jpinard
When people ask me where I am going to retire, I say northern Montana or North Dakota, possibly Minnesota and they look at me like I am retarded till I tell them the reasoning behind it.
Something like 80% of the state's water is used by industry and agriculture - which often pay little to nothing for it - just like most states. It's kind of silly how everyone just ignores that part and focuses on urban lawn watering and showers.Now, similar political tensions are sparking battles over water in parts of the country that have never seen them before. In Florida, Arkansas, Georgia, and elsewhere, politically connected interests with declining economic rationales for the water are using the Corps to preserve their advantages usually over emerging populations and industries with a growing justification for that water. Water wars, a feature of Western politics for decades, have begun to move east.
This state of affairs won't last forever. Politics, like economics, eventually gives way to the law of supply and demand. The status quo of federal water management of American rivers is like the Soviet Union in the early 1980s, a grossly inefficient, economically senseless system kept alive by political and economic interests trying to protect their increasingly rickety power. One good blow and the whole thing could crumble.
There was a blog last week describing how most Georgia farmers use wasteful as hell trench irrigation, too, but I can't find it.
By the time you need to pray it's too late - god clearly already hates you.
Pray tell me dear americuns why you elected an environment a...... as dubya for president... kyoto anybody? to bad that the rest of us goes down the drain too.
I'm not sure what you're saying here, but most of the developed world rejected kyoto. Anyway, americans don't want emission caps. If they did, they'd buy smaller cars.. It's really very simple, yet the deluxo SUV 8 seat grocery getter still sells strongly. I don't think that will change until gas starts hitting $5 a gallon.Originally Posted by Hetzer
Seriously. The current water distribution regime is no good for anybody besides politically connected interests. Let those farmers pay the true price of their irrigation.Originally Posted by Jason McCullough
Actually, it doesn't. Which is why the big three are having such big financial woes, lately.Originally Posted by Anti-Bunny
Compared to the EU, where they are practically unheard of (or they were last time I visited, anyway), they're still selling strong. Still plenty of Ford F-250's and Dodge Ram 2500's around here, which are regularly put on 'worst polluters' lists.Originally Posted by Ben Sones
SUV sales are in decline but that has nothing to do with pollution and everything to do with $3/gallon gas.
There are still plenty of them around because people have been buying them in great quantities for many years now. It's not like all those vehicles are going to vanish from the road overnight. In fact, people may end up hanging onto them longer than they'd like, now that demand for them is in the toilet. Because their only alternative may be to trade them in for far less than they should be worth.Originally Posted by Anti-Bunny
Indeed, yes. Actually, it was $3.49 here in Rochester, as of yesterday.Originally Posted by Nick Walter
Just chatted with a customer from Georgia - didn't get into all the details, but he said much of the water problem there was due to incompetent local politics, something about the state refusing to take ownership and responsibility for certain facilities and thus the water going elsewhere, etc.
Actually, the largest sales growth of large automobiles (SUVs and the like) is happening in Europe. The sales have stagnated and are falling stateside, but across the pond, Europeans are snatching up larger cars in greater numbers than ever before.Originally Posted by Anti-Bunny
Which is probably the reason why they can't hit their efficiency standards.
And people think it would be a good idea to up the domestic automaker's mileage standards to obscenely unreachable levels. Idiots.
Patton made his chaplain pray for good weather so he could have air superiority. Patton was the mother fucking man.
Why do you hate Patton?
You're comparing the current governor of Georgia to Patton?
Besides, the Georgia situation -- as mentioned above -- would be a lot better if the politics weren't so fux0red. Patton did a much better job with his resources than Mr. Sonny Perdue's doing with his.
That's true. The weather did clear up. I attribute this to Patton having appropriate Psycher Chaplains, like in Warhammer 40k.Originally Posted by RepoMan
Originally Posted by Anti-Bunny
With most of developed world you mean the usa and australia or what?
China, India and the US are rejecting the GHG emission limits that kyoto is based around.. And the rate at which the first two are building coal plants, they will outpace the reduction in emissions the limits are planned to impose.Originally Posted by Hetzer
I think you're conflating the possible uselessness of Kyoto with the very real fact that the number one reason it did not accomplish what it set out to do (at least in terms of succeeding as a treaty) is because the US refused to sign it. China and India are hardly developed countries by any useful definition of the word, and Kyoto was designed to restrict already developed countries primarily. You can question the usefulness of such a goal, but I don't think there's a lot of disagreement that the US is the main reason it wasn't achieved.Originally Posted by Anti-Bunny
As long as you are willing to pay the true price of your food :)Originally Posted by contrarybear
That's interesting. It definitely checks all the boxes in terms of sounding too good to be true, but I really have no way of telling. What do you think of it?Originally Posted by jpinard
That's really interesting, but it's yet another article that needlessly swipes at the Detroit automakers because they're such a ridiculously easy target.Originally Posted by jpinard
Oh blow me. I don't see Toyota, or Mercedes, or any other automaker funding/hiring/backing this guy.Originally Posted by The article
I've been saying for years that what we need is an immidiate conversion to diesel for every goddamned new automobile on the planet. If diesel becomes the de-facto fuel standard, the price to make a diesel engine will drop due to efficiencies in scale. Likewise, the price of diesel gas will plummet due to the fact that more refinery capacity will be allocated to its production. Finally, once we're all on diesel, enjoying the inherent 15-20% efficiency increase over gasoline, we can start talking about turbo diesels, and biodiesel turbodiesels, and turbodiesel biodiesel hybrids.
I blame California. The emissions standards have been so utterly unreachable that only the priciest diesels around today meet their standards. Europe has the right idea with diesel, why doesn't the US?
That's basically what this guy says in the article. Start with creating diesel cars, then diesel-hybrids, etc.Originally Posted by Machfive
Hey, I live here on the north side of Atlanta. Our back yard has turned to shit because of the outdoor watering ban, and they have also stopped people who buy new pools from filling said pools. The town I live in had at one point disallowed landscaping companies from watering new sod (if I went out and bought sod today, I would not be allowed to water it, only landscapers), but it was repealed as it was hurting too many landscaping companies.
As mentioned above, a huge problem is that the city will not stop growing. I had said this before, but I live in one of the fastest growing zip codes in the country. The town I live in, back in 1988 when we first moved here, had only one stop light. No highway reached it and it was largely rural. After the 1996 Olympics came through and the highway was extended to reach our town, all hell broke loose. Combine that attention with the really low cost of living (gas here is barely breaking $3/gallon and that was of only a couple days ago), and you get a lot of transplants, myself included, although I have 20 years here.
The thing is, I always thought it was our roads that would crumble before the water system. They keep widening highways and adding roads, but it cannot keep up with the growth of the city. Also, if we do get the said rain that has been prayed for, it is only a temporary solution and unless Sonny can pray that some people move away and/or stifle growth (something he hasn't even addressed), then he is simply postponing the problem.
The catch now is how I can move in the middle of this bubble being burst and where I want to go.
Pray ignorant dumbfucks, just don't come crying to science when your god fails you.
Religeous yahoo's have done nothing but get in the way of science.
This situation* kind of reminds me of the film Yellow Earth but in reverse. It's about a young chinese communist (there was a different name for the party then and it was a historical fiction film even when it was released) sent record his life and teach secularism to a rural village/farmers in China. The film ends with a powerful scene of them chanting for water during a drought. I don't want to spoil it, but it's a good film.Originally Posted by drewl
*The film's tone is not hostile like drewl's comment.
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